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They can still use the auction house to transfer gold to their customers for cash.

How would Blizzard accuse you of selling gold if it was done this way, without stepping over some serious legal boundaries?

The answer is they don't, they let it happen just like they do in WoW.
Well since i quit WoW before it got started I'm not 100% sure how the auction system works, I only really experimented with it in that first city for a brief time.

But, if there is a hole in the system that allows someone to specifically target an item being sold by an individual and overpay an exorbitant amount of money that's a hole that can easily be fixed.

1) make auctions anonomous so you have no idea if the item you bid on will be paid to any one person.
2) Put a value range system in place so that common items which usually sell for 5 whatever can't be sold for 1,000 whatever.

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A gold farmer, is still very much a real player. One that needs sleep, goes outside for grocheries and needs to eat as well.
Many of those things can still be accounted for, a similar group can simply be clan mates or multiple accounts ran by the same player.

Running the same missions/quests can mean there is a particular bug, or that mission simply has a huge payout. The gold is sold on the marketplace which made RMT legal. So no longer are transfers made through mail "gifts" or trades between players.

What you're describing is botting, an autonomous application which repeats particular actions with spot-on accuracy and algorethmic repetition.
A human is, for the most part, not capable of executing two action exactly the same way. Besides, gold farmer were never illegal anyway, them selling the gold for real money is. But Blizzard now legalised this.

It's the same what the Dutch government did with soft-drugs.
Instead of prohibiting its use, they decided to legalise soft-drugs so they can collect taxes off the purchases and reap the benefits.

Blizzard does the same, they know they can't prohibit gold farming or RMT completely, WoW is evidence. But they can make money off it, by simply legalising its usage.
No they're not, they're the human equivalent to a bot. They're not playing because they're having fun; they're playing to disrupt the in game economy & profiteer off of the inflation that they cause. A person can't play 24 hours straight for days, they would DIE (& if they attempt this behavior a ban would benefit them as a wake up call that they need to get outside); but most gold farmers are third world employees for a company that sells gold, that work in shifts.

& please don't compare fighting gold farming with the horrible failure that is the drug war. yes holland decriminalized soft drugs, but that's because contrary to popular belief they aren't dangerous & don't ruin society.

Gold farming is more equivalent to what wall street did with the housing bubble; ruining the dollar in the process.
    
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I will play the game just to farm stuff for real money then, no reason not too.
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1) make auctions anonymous so you have no idea if the item you bid on will be paid to any one person.
Great point, and indeed both auction house systems are anonymous. But it still could be done, both parties in voice contact plan their efforts making sure that the auction that is about to list is the only one in that field at that high of a buyout/min/max range, possible numerical word value price, code word (ex. 1337 or whatever they decide on really). In the end it is still slightly flawed, not 100% fixed.

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2) Put a value range system in place so that common items which usually sell for 5 whatever can't be sold for 1,000 whatever.
This along with suggestion one might plug the hole. Way to go!
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Anyone know if the Chinese and North Korean goverments have put in their pre-orders yet?

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Well since i quit WoW before it got started I'm not 100% sure how the auction system works, I only really experimented with it in that first city for a brief time.

But, if there is a hole in the system that allows someone to specifically target an item being sold by an individual and overpay an exorbitant amount of money that's a hole that can easily be fixed.

1) make auctions anonomous so you have no idea if the item you bid on will be paid to any one person.
2) Put a value range system in place so that common items which usually sell for 5 whatever can't be sold for 1,000 whatever.


No they're not, they're the human equivalent to a bot. They're not playing because they're having fun; they're playing to disrupt the in game economy & profiteer off of the inflation that they cause. A person can't play 24 hours straight for days, they would DIE (& if they attempt this behavior a ban would benefit them as a wake up call that they need to get outside); but most gold farmers are third world employees for a company that sells gold, that work in shifts.

& please don't compare fighting gold farming with the horrible failure that is the drug war. yes holland decriminalized soft drugs, but that's because contrary to popular belief they aren't dangerous & don't ruin society.

Gold farming is more equivalent to what wall street did with the housing bubble; ruining the dollar in the process.
Blizzard allowed it, made it legal, therefore, stop nagging.

There are no drug wars in Holland, I have no idea where you get that information from but I'd seriously recheck your sources.

Also, Gold Farmers are not dangerous either. And yes, Weed damages the society as much as gold farmers do, there have been enough regulations and such that have been placed to prevent these.

If a person wants to play the game to make money, that's their proragotive, they paid for the game, they may do as they please with it, Blizzard allows for such activites, therefore that person is completely in their right to play and profiteer from the game as they please.

And, if nobody buys the Gold being farmed, it won't ruin the economy, it's the people who purchase the gold that ruin the economy, not those who put it on sale.
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Yeah it's quite an eye opener, and the reason why they can get away with what they do.

People look forward to a game, and decide it is going to be awesome and will blindy accept anything they do, because in their eyes they can do no wrong.

Blizzard could change the core gameplay to making shoes in a sweatshop and people would justify it.
I'm not blindly accepting anything, I'm simply stating a gold farmer IS a player.
Just because they don't play the game the same way you do, makes no difference.
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There are no drug wars in Holland, I have no idea where you get that information from but I'd seriously recheck your sources.
Sorry, what? No one implied that.
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I will play the game just to farm stuff for real money then, no reason not too.
Better quit your day job and work 24 hours straight to compete with gold farmers which will make it so you can't sell anything for a decent price to make it worth your time.
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Not gonna lie, I like this system. If I get lucky, I can use the auction house just long enough to cover the cost of the game. That would be very slick.
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Not gonna lie, I like this system. If I get lucky, I can use the auction house just long enough to cover the cost of the game. That would be very slick.
And pay for other games? Yippee!
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