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I want to see how he would explain all of this.
    
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Having a hard time deciding to go intel now or wait until Bulldozer launches >.<! I hope these chips at least out perform the Phenom II BE's by 30%. I will be happy lol
I'd wait.

Oh, and Bulldozer will definitely outperform the PhII by more than 30% in IPC and thanks to the extra cores and new instruction sets the difference will be much larger. I expect a speed increase of over 50% (compared to Thuban).
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I'd wait.

Oh, and Bulldozer will definitely outperform the PhII by more than 30% in IPC and thanks to the extra cores and new instruction sets the difference will be much larger. I expect a speed increase of over 50% (compared to Thuban).
Er.. I'm not even sure Conroe made that big of a performance jump. You dream big, but I think expecting that kind of increase is asking for a big let down.

If BD is a 30% improvement over PhII, I will consider it a job well done. If they achieve 40% I will be impressed mightily.
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Er.. I'm not even sure Conroe made that big of a performance jump. You dream big, but I think expecting that kind of increase is asking for a big let down.

If BD is a 30% improvement over PhII, I will consider it a job well done. If they achieve 40% I will be impressed mightily.
intel made several small jumps from conroe to sandy bridge ... but if they took the same sandy bridge design out of nowhere it would give them a big performance jump ... and people might argue about the possibility of such a big jump .. but anything is possible .. it's the hardware inside that makes it happen


and bulldozer do have the hardware to be able to make a big leap forward ...
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many years in the making, it better give at least a 30% performance jump.
    
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many years in the making, it better give at least a 30% performance jump.
30% improvement over Phenom II would put Bulldozer about even with Nehalem/Westmere. I'd be happy for AMD if they could pull that off. No way to tell until the real benchmarks come out, though.

This is how Phenom II compares with Nehalem at the same clock speeds. Quad-core Phenom II vs. quad-core, 4 thread Nehalem:

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Er.. I'm not even sure Conroe made that big of a performance jump. You dream big, but I think expecting that kind of increase is asking for a big let down.

If BD is a 30% improvement over PhII, I will consider it a job well done. If they achieve 40% I will be impressed mightily.
I agree with Fr0sty.

Phenom II is better than Conroe in that it clocks higher, has more cores, and has more cache. Despite this, IPC is very similar.

Now consider this: AMD is still at Conroe-level IPC, while Intel has made many tiny jumps to get to Sandy Bridge.

If AMD wants to be competitive with Sandy Bridge, they have to come close. So this won't be like Penryn-QC to Bloomfield. This won't be like Bloomfield to Sandy Bridge. This will be more like Smithfield to Conroe. And architectural details support this, so I'm not being like the people I criticize for making predictions based on logic and history. I could start giving detailed explanations of the architecture to support this claim, but I'm a bit too lazy to do so unless someone requests such a post.

Plus, Bulldozer includes twice as much cache and another two cores.

I expect great things.
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PC MAG just lost so much credibility in my books, just look at all the fail points in this article.

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30% improvement over Phenom II would put Bulldozer about even with Nehalem/Westmere. I'd be happy for AMD if they could pull that off. No way to tell until the real benchmarks come out, though.

I agree some healthy competition would be great for every one. better products, lower prices, and more pressure to gain the upper hand.
    
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I'd like to see what the Quad Core FX will do, hopefully if it can compete with the Sandy Bridge i5, that would be awesome, but even more awesome would be if it cost less!

Because I deal with a lot of media, I'd like to see AMD win big on this one, I only like AMD because of how good they run graphics, and a quad core is plenty for most games out there, 8 cores is a bit overkill unless you compile, compress, and encode as much as I do..

*Crosses Fingers* I'm about to sell my sig rig and I'm loading up for bulldozer big time!

Right in time for BF3 ~ Zambezi 8 Core w/ 2 X AMD 6990s = Serious POWA!
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