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A GPU bottleneck is when GPU is high and CPU is low, and a CPU bottleneck is when CPU is high and GPU is low
There. Which is the case of the OP.
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A GPU bottleneck is when GPU is high and CPU is low, and a CPU bottleneck is when GPU is high and CPU is low
To a GPU bottleneck is quiet rare and I really don't think they even exist. Proof or I call crap shoot.


Anyways, I know my CPU is bottlenecking but I do know for sure my GPU isn't holding me back PERIOD. Although i am going keep this thread opne because there is some really interesting conversations going on in here
 
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My sig rig is GPU "bottlenecked" on, say, Crysis 2. I can say this truthfully because it's at %100 useage almost all the time while playing and my CPU is not. BUT WHO CARES because my framerates are perfectly fine!! A faster GPU would get higher FPS, but still probably be at %100. So are they both "bottlenecking"? Technically, yes, because they are at %100 use and your CPU is not, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER!!

A true GPU "bottleneck" problem would be if your CPU is barely being used, your GPU is at %100 and your framerates suck. It's only "bottlenecked" because you don't have playable framerates. The GTX260 I had before the 570 was also at %100 on Crysis Warhead, but the gameplay was stuttery at max settings and even 2xFSAA. That's a "bottleneck" that needs to be addressed.

As usual, when people toss around the term "bottleneck" without regards to framerates, it alerts me that, like your buddy, they don't know what they're talking about. Your CPU is going to be idle on some games, and your GPU is going to be idle on others. There is not a single system on earth that is NOT BOTTLENECKED by definition. And there is not a single system on earth where the CPU use matches exactly the GPU use!!

And PS, OP: Your CPU is faster than a Phenom II, clock-for-clock.
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To a GPU bottleneck is quiet rare and I really don't think they even exist. Proof or I call crap shoot.


Anyways, I know my CPU is bottlenecking but I do know for sure my GPU isn't holding me back PERIOD. Although i am going keep this thread opne because there is some really interesting conversations going on in here
yes you're right your cpu is holding you back because the gpu isn't at full usage, i dont understand how you dont think a gpu bottleneck exists,

we're talking in terms of fps here, so which component is limiting the fps? if the gpu usage is at 100%, no matter WHAT you do with your cpu you will never get meaningful gains in fps, so the gpu will be holding things back, hence the gpu is bottlenecking....

you could lower the resolution, until eventually your cpu is the one that's stopping you getting more fps out of your system, but just because you have 200fps doesn't mean one isn't bottlenecking..... one will ALWAYS bottleneck the other (with different games, different engines, etc...)

say you have my 5850, now in bad company 2 i use 1920x1200 res, and high graphics and i get a dandy 80-100fps, now when i check my gpu usage, it's at 100%, so to get more fps i can either a) turn my graphics down(or resolution) or b) get a better graphics card... now if i were to change my cpu to say an i7 at 10ghz, my fps wouldn't increase beyond what is already set, because the graphics card can't do more than 100% workload....so with a 10ghz processor im still stuck at 80-100fps...

now we could lower the resolution/graphics settings to accomodate for this, and we would see an fps rise aslong as the cpu didn't hold it back at some point (let's assume 200fps)

so now we're stuck on 200fps, and the graphics usage isn't 100%...so to get more fps we HAVE to replace the cpu for an even faster one (or we can increase the graphics to get the same fps (200) and make the usage hit 100%,

the fact is most of us dont want to run stuff at lower than native resolution, or with a bit of AA when we're talking about high end graphics cards, so we assume you're on a SET resolution with graphics settings you're happy with, now if you're at 100fps with settings you like then great... but if your gpu is at 100% usage it is STILL a bottleneck, because if you put another card in there you will see massive gains in fps, it doesnt matter if the fps is 200, 300, even 1000, it's still a bottleneck because it's holding the system back

tldr; no matter what the fps, if your usage is at 100% the gpu IS a bottleneck, fact....
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Dude.... seriously you SAYING it is but having nothing to back it up is not moving my stance. Sorry but I am calling crap here.
 
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My sig rig is GPU "bottlenecked" on, say, Crysis 2. I can say this truthfully because it's at %100 useage almost all the time while playing and my CPU is not. BUT WHO CARES because my framerates are perfectly fine!! A faster GPU would get higher FPS, but still probably be at %100. So are they both "bottlenecking"? Technically, yes, because they are at %100 use and your CPU is not, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER!!

A true GPU "bottleneck" problem would be if your CPU is barely being used, your GPU is at %100 and your framerates suck. It's only "bottlenecked" because you don't have playable framerates. The GTX260 I had before the 570 was also at %100 on Crysis Warhead, but the gameplay was stuttery at max settings and even 2xFSAA. That's a "bottleneck" that needs to be addressed.

As usual, when people toss around the term "bottleneck" without regards to framerates, it alerts me that, like your buddy, they don't know what they're talking about. Your CPU is going to be idle on some games, and your GPU is going to be idle on others. There is not a single system on earth that is NOT BOTTLENECKED by definition. And there is not a single system on earth where the CPU use matches exactly the GPU use!!

And PS, OP: Your CPU is faster than a Phenom II, clock-for-clock.
Thank you. And I think Rox is tossing the term bottleneck around as well like my bud. Really if your GPU is maxed out and your CPU is working fine then there is no bottleneck. Just means you don't have the juice to handle the game as the processor and/or graphics card are going as fast as they can. If that is the case then there is no bottleneck as a bottleneck implies something is limiting said parts from reaching their full potential. Of said parts are already running as fast as they can and you still have good framerates, etc then there is no bottleneck, just a system running along that is doing all can.

To me a GPU bottleneck is a just a term someone through around to describe how a crappy card can only get crappy frame rates or can only go so fast. If the card is not being limited by other means (CPU, interface, etc) then the card is being limited physically that it can only run so fast. Thus "bottleneck" can be implied. But the true is that the term is implied but is not actual fact.

Implying and actual fact are 2 different things.

Rox, sorry man but untill you can give me cold hard facts then I am calling crap, period.


BTW, this goes along with something can exist and not exist at the same time, AKA superposition.
 
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it's quite simple, if you want more fps when youre graphics is capped out, you put a better graphics card in, how can you not see the logic,

by your way of thinking, you should be running bad company 2 at 100 fps on a x800 just because you have a quad core

if graphics is never a bottleneck, **** those new 6000 series lets just stay with a good old x1950
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You are on socket 775. The bottleneck is between everything that passes through your northbridge chipset.
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it's quite simple, if you want more fps when youre graphics is capped out, you put a better graphics card in, how can you not see the logic,

by your way of thinking, you should be running bad company 2 at 100 fps on a x800 just because you have a quad core

if graphics is never a bottleneck, **** those new 6000 series lets just stay with a good old x1950
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