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post #191 of 205
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Originally Posted by Abs.exe View Post
As a PVE Mage, I can tell you that I pwn in pvp with 0 resilience.
I did a few arena, a few bg's and a few duels and I died very few times.
I'm only 366 ilvl and yet the only class that provide a real challenge are rogues.
Yes I occur, I may not have fought the best pvp'ers but for a stressed guy like me who dislike pvp because of the additonal stress of being an idiot for pressing the wrong key and your dead, that was enough for me to go back to pve.

Even thought I'm not raiding with the best players, we have fun to try normal fireland, we have yet to down Shannox (1.7% furtest we got him ).
I bet those doing Heroic mode are not raiding 5 hours a week.
Must take 5 hours a week just to plan the best way to attack the boss.
Just to clarify what I said, I wasn't a pvp guy. Oh I'd do BGs and some arena for lols, but no where near the serious pvp guys in the guild. I just noticed times when we were short a person, and someone had a pvp guy fill in, it took very little for them to be up to par, outperforming guys that had done it a few runs already. Again - in my experience.

5 hours a week? No, as you suggested we probably spent over 5 hours a week on tactics, with about 12-16 hours on actual raiding.

If you're having fun, you've won the game. I knew plenty guys with server firsts that were always miserable. When the fun dried up, I quit, I think a lot of players loose sight of that, and unfortunately being a progressive or "heroic" raider can make having fun trying sometimes.
post #192 of 205
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Originally Posted by Nozoned View Post
I have to disagree. If you are talking duelist level up pvper then yea, they would most likely breeze through pve content. Those people only make up 1% of the top arena players. Even less when you take in to consideration a lot were alts. Take your average BG hero/1500 champion that just grinds honor like there's no tomorrow and you'll have endless wipes.
As I said - my personal experience, and as per my post above I wasn't a pvp player. Does that mean that I think I sucked? No, merely just that from my position as running a guild/raids, and recruiting and organising the raid scheduel for 25 people, that in my experience, on average, the pvp guys were better players than the pve.

I wasn't trying to attack pve guys, I'm a pve guy!
post #193 of 205
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Originally Posted by SafeKlok View Post
As I said - my personal experience, and as per my post above I wasn't a pvp player. Does that mean that I think I sucked? No, merely just that from my position as running a guild/raids, and recruiting and organising the raid scheduel for 25 people, that in my experience, on average, the pvp guys were better players than the pve.

I wasn't trying to attack pve guys, I'm a pve guy!
People that organized and ran raids had the hardest jobs in WoW by far. I don't have near the patience it takes to put up with all the bs that comes along with it.
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post #194 of 205
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If you enjoy being held back by incompetent people, go play MMOs. If you like skill based gameplay where you are rewarded for performing well, play sc2 or quake or CS or even Bloodline Champions.
How are you rewarded for performing well in those games? (aside from people who get sponsored to play lolesports(also a vast minority in the # of people who actually play))

I mean you get the satisfaction of winning.
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post #195 of 205
Guys, I might shock you but...

FFXIV is getting good. I know right? I almost feel dirty for saying that but after trying it recently it's a fact.
The new devs seem really motivated, probably because SE wants to start charging as soon as possible. Still, as a used-to-be-hardcore Lineage 2 player, I can safely say FFXIV will be a very good MMO by the end of the year (if the devs can keep up with the schedules)

Back on topic, nothing really surprising there. WoW is old, it's simply dying of old age. Time to let the old giant rest and let the youth take the throne. People are bored, or are disappointed by the not-so-new content, or just want something different after so many years.
post #196 of 205
I'm currently waiting for old republic. I only played during Wrath of the Lich King and once I got to raiding I didn't find the game any fun anymore. I've heard rift is like the "WoW glory days" so if Old Republic doesn't do it for me, that game might, even though I haven't tried it yet. I tried Warhammer Online and Age of Conan since they both recently went free to play, but those games just don't do it for me either..
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i am surprised it lasted this long before they started loosing large amounts of people.
+2

This game took all my FFXI buddies and I could never understand how they could switch from (in my opinion) a near perfect game to one that caters to 12 year olds.
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post #198 of 205
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You are right about the actual encounter not being all of it. At one point I was in a US top 50 raiding guild, peaking at about 30ish while I was there. The things that I was required to know and do were ridiculous at times. A lot of the heroics were far from easy if you consider the better guilds have to do it undergeared most of the time to maintain their rank. Not sure what you mean by prerequisites, attunement hasn't been around since what, T5?

If you are getting resists in pvp, regem or rechant.
Sigh... you prob dont pvp at all but I dont mean hit chance base resist stuff.

If you use mass dispel vs a paladin there is 30% chance it wont work. You cant gem or enchant that. Also you have to cap for racials or just general 5% resist. This is out side of that. On my hunter I had 80-130 spell pen depending on spec (usually 80 for MM/traps and 130 for explosive shot). However traps arent affected by spell pen and u cant change it in anyway so traps always have a large chance to simply resist.

Ive had times where I mass dispel a paladin 4-5x and bubble stays up.

If you dispel someone there is a chance u get a good buff, trash buff, or resist, same for dispelling dots and stuff. This isnt as bad but when a BoP or Bubble doesnt come off it changes the outcome of the game, and is the best example. Also playing as a hunter a trap resisting can easily make you lose the game. There are many many other examples but these are the most familiar to me and game breaking. Im sure every class has stuff like this.

There is so much RNG in the game it breaks skill, like when Orangemarmalade had no mana and killed the other 2 guys left, RNGmarmalade rofl.

Sigh Arena has so much potential, hope a good dev makes it work in another game...
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How are you rewarded for performing well in those games? (aside from people who get sponsored to play lolesports(also a vast minority in the # of people who actually play))

I mean you get the satisfaction of winning.
You are rewarded by winning instead of a random dice roll deciding the game even though you are the better player and made better decisions and played better. SC2 has RNG but its not nearly as bad as Arena.

Basically in Arena it is much more likely you can lose based on RNG vs losing SC2 matches. The more skill comes into play the more you are rewarded for skill.
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Originally Posted by slinkski View Post
o one that caters to 12 year olds.
Most successful guilds have a an 18+ age policy. I've seen many with 21+. This game does not cater to 12 year olds.



Ploppy, what exactly is your point? PvP is harder than PvE? What a surprise!! You're saying that facing an intelligent human bring is actually more difficult than fighting a boss with predictable abilities? Does that mean PvE is easy? Some of it is, sure. But to claim that it's all easy is extremely ignorant. Again, you keep saying you were top 3 in DPS, but that's 90% reliant on your gear. If you'd ever even attempted Firefighter, Yogg+0, or LK25H without nerfs/buffs, you'd know how stupid you sound. No, raids are not about individual skill; that's not the point. Raids are about trying to coordinate large groups of people without anyone messing up. You seem to think that in raids that you failed, it was because you were being" dragged down" by lesser players. With that kind of outlook, you have no business playing a team-oriented PvE title.

As for whoever said 90% of raids are "stand out of fire", I have a hard time believing you have any serious progression. Generally raids have 1 or 2 "free loot" bosses, but almost all new raid bosses have several unique abilities.


EDIT: Even if PvE content was too easy for you (it's clearly not), why would Blizzard ever cater to you? You'd be in the vast, vast minority. Most people never even get to raid in current tier content, relatively no one clears current tier heroic raids. When it takes the top guilds in the world several months to down a fight (Stars on Yogg+0), you know it's difficult enough.
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