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I'll call shenanigans on the grounds that neither FF or Chrome are anywhere near that light on RAM. Only in LXDE does FF use less than 100MB by itself for one tab. In Kubuntu Chrome usually adds a full 200-600MB on RAM consumption based on tabs/content.

MeeGo1.1 was where I saw the lowest RAM usage ever...90MB on startup and that's including its GUI. Beats my LXDE by 100MB.

I could honestly care less about KDE being "bloated/greedy" comparatively on RAM since it looks and functions better than anything M$ or Apple can create and still doesn't even match Aero for RAM usage.

PS: Does anyone else think XFCE is like KDE 3.5 or so?
     
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Running them off of a single partition because I only had 10GB free on my SSD after Windows + Steam. Its correct since both /home and / are on /dev/sda5.


And transhour I'm not certain what you're saying. My numbers are spot on as well, its just that conky's $mem variable reports memory use in MB when its less than 1GB (actually 0.98GB).

It took a bit of work, but I finally managed to get my memory use high enough for it to switch. 47 tabs in Chrome + 8 in Firefox + Gedit = 1.0GB/4.82GB
4.82g? why such an odd number in ram? if you are running a 2x2gb kit, then got a single 1gb stick, i'm pretty sure you are actually hurting your performance by running dual channel on the kit, and single channel on the loner.

as for these mem use...i've seen some fantastic claims here...with little or no evidence, i would like to see screenshots of actual task manager type applications...as conky can either screw up really bad depending on who you talk to or you can place your own static variables in there if it suits ones devious purposes.

i run all sorts of systems everyday, i look at all sorts of usage stats, different DE's with different configurations. i'll be damn if i am gonna take screenshots at face value when conky is the only thing displaying! i'm from the show me state, so show me.

i'll buy that FF uses less ram/mem than chrome/chromium does, but FF for linux is just plain awful, and suffers from serious slowdowns cause it wants to cache everything to disk or swap, and that plugin container gets way out of control 90% of the time.

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I'll call shenanigans on the grounds that neither FF or Chrome are anywhere near that light on RAM. Only in LXDE does FF use less than 100MB by itself for one tab. In Kubuntu Chrome usually adds a full 200-600MB on RAM consumption based on tabs/content.

MeeGo1.1 was where I saw the lowest RAM usage ever...90MB on startup and that's including its GUI. Beats my LXDE by 100MB.

I could honestly care less about KDE being "bloated/greedy" comparatively on RAM since it looks and functions better than anything M$ or Apple can create and still doesn't even match Aero for RAM usage.

PS: Does anyone else think XFCE is like KDE 3.5 or so?
xfce reminds me of both of older gnome and kde 3.5 era..

edit:

thought instead of seeing how low i can go on the memory bandwagon, which isn't a true representation of how i use my computer, i'd show a screen cap of what is usually loaded.

chromium - current 2 tabs, 1 ocn, the other youtube with an active video playing. (to show flash usage.)

netbeans (with a project loaded)

lamp stack (for those who don't know what that is, linux-apache-mysql-php, its a dev platform, no users active on it.)

minecraft server - 2 users logged in.

skype, amsn and pidgin logged in (i know i could get rid of amsn and just use pidgin, but i don't care much for it, just use it for aim more or less.)

thunderbird (keep it activated to be instantly notified of incoming mails.)

have terminal open

thunar

and smplayer which is usually open, just no videos atm.

there are other programs running, but as you can see there are 180'ish processes running in the background, don't want to list everything that is running



Edited by Transhour - 8/5/11 at 2:57pm
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4.82g? why such an odd number in ram? if you are running a 2x2gb kit, then got a single 1gb stick, i'm pretty sure you are actually hurting your performance by running dual channel on the kit, and single channel on the loner.

as for these mem use...i've seen some fantastic claims here...with little or no evidence, i would like to see screenshots of actual task manager type applications...as conky can either screw up really bad depending on who you talk to or you can place your own static variables in there if it suits ones devious purposes.

4.82 because I have a 4gb stick and a 1gb stick in there. I'll move to 8gb eventually, but until then the extra 1GB does help when I'm running VMs, and adding it doesn't take anything away, since then I'd just be running 1x4GB in single channel.

The little bit off the top is probably reserved for my GMA 4500.


Oh we can always just bypass the need for a system monitor and read the info straight from the system...




Active is the amount of memory used by running processes. The kernel will allocate more for buffers and cache, but that memory is freed the instant its needed, so it doesn't really count towards the total.
    
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looks to me your conky config looks fine...try your fix that you see.

i would next ask is this a repo version of conky you are running or is it one you have compiled yourself?

it is definitely displaying total ram usage incorrectly...and i am not sure why, i will do some research see if i can find a reasonable explanation.
Compiled myself. The repo hasn't been worth much in Fedora15... its only downfall, unless comparing it to Arch.

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Look at that! Just 3.79 mb of memory to run firefox with streaming flash! Look familiar? It should because its your .conkyrc

Except no. top_mem displays memory percent, not total memory, as transhour said.


Firefox is taking up 30.67%, which is 582mb
X is taking up 13.96%, which is 265mb
plugin-container is 2.28%, which is 43.32mb

Which is 890mb total, seems pretty bang on to me. Especially the plugin-container. I have a hard time believing your copy of flash uses 5% of the memory my copy does.


What I can't understand is why your $mem variable is reporting in GB, when mine is reporting in MB.

But then the values reported by mine are 100% consistent with what KDE's system monitor reports, while yours is reporting that Firefox is using 30% of your ram, but the entire system is only using 15%.

According to Fedora's package repo we should both be using 1.8.1, but I think there may be a bug in yours.
Nice to see my .conkyrc looks so good for other people too! I've only spent way too much time on it... I'll be rewriting it again soon I know what the #$%& is wrong.

My conky was not from Fed's repo, as I just stated. Self compiled, and the config was also from scratch, but with many examples. Might be why I had so many problems with it in LXDE.

Also... something changed for you... mine shows SLACK: and thats missing from yours.
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Yeah I didn't notice that memory problem until transhour pointed it out. it's really freaky, can't understand why it's reporting the percent per app right but then is botching the total use. =( I can see how that would have thrown you off, I would have thought different too! How weird.
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Also... something changed for you... mine shows SLACK: and thats missing from yours.
I removed it because I don't have a /mnt/slack partition.

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Yeah I didn't notice that memory problem until transhour pointed it out. it's really freaky, can't understand why it's reporting the percent per app right but then is botching the total use. =( I can see how that would have thrown you off, I would have thought different too! How weird.
From what I can tell its getting the memory info from free, or at the very least they're using the same methods.

Code:
free -m
That gives me the exact same value from the used -/+ buffers/cache cell as conky. At the very least you can see whether its a problem with conky or something else in your system.
    
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Firefox uses less RAM, but more memory, since its stores more information in your swap/page file. In terms of total virtual memory size Firefox actually uses slightly more memory (at least on Windows)

In addition, because so much of it is paged it makes it occasionally unresponsive, as it has to fetch whatever it was storing on the HDD.

I run swapless on my laptop, and memory usage between Chromium 15 and Firefox Nightly is nearly identical.
I run swapless on both Windows and Linux, Chrome still eats up more RAM (For one, I get warnings about running out of RAM with 500MB left with Chrome and Minecraft open, but don't with Firefox and usually have ~250MB more than Chrome) for me at least.

All you guys make me want to play with Conky again, I got sick of it pretty fast last time.
    
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