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...Anything we can observe would be part of the universe by definition, you can't have a multiverse because if there was another universe it would by the definition have to be part of the universe and therefore cease to be a different entity as soon as we can observe it.
So then change the name. Holy Fua... its just a bunch of letters on your screen. The concept is still the same regardless of what you call it. Get over it and discuss something not retarded.
    
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...Anything we can observe would be part of the universe by definition, you can't have a multiverse because if there was another universe it would by the definition have to be part of the universe and therefore cease to be a different entity as soon as we can observe it.
.. you are not understanding me at ALL. You keep referring to the Universe by its DEFINITION that we GAVE it. We define Universe as "everything" that exists because we haven't observed an alternate "universe".

Let's say multiple "universes" existed at different points in a 4th dimension. If we were to discover the existence of another "universe" on another point in the 4th dimension, then we would revise the DEFINTION of Universe to be "everything in 3 dimensions that exist at one point in the 4th dimension).
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.. you are not understanding me at ALL. You keep referring to the Universe by its DEFINITION that we GAVE it. We define Universe as "everything" that exists because we haven't observed an alternate "universe".

Let's say multiple "universes" existed at different points in a 4th dimension. If we were to discover the existence of another "universe" on another point in the 4th dimension, then we would revise the DEFINTION of Universe to be "everything in 3 dimensions that exist at one point in the 4th dimension).
By that logic i could call a keyboard a higgs boson and say i've discovered evidence of the higgs boson existing...

isn't the 4th dimension time? saying other universes exist in a different part of the 4th dimension isn't anything to do with a multiverse, it's saying that the universe will collapse/has collapsed before and after collapsing will then expand again.
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By that logic i could call a keyboard a higgs boson and say i've discovered evidence of the higgs boson existing...

isn't the 4th dimension time? saying other universes exist in a different part of the 4th dimension isn't anything to do with a multiverse, it's saying that the universe will collapse/has collapsed before and after collapsing will then expand again.
By 4th dimension I mean a dimension we have yet to discover. For all we know, time could be a man-made concept. Instead of "time" as we know it, each infinitessimal period of "time" could coexist simultaneously as another "universe".
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By 4th dimension I mean a dimension we have yet to discover. For all we know, time could be a man-made concept. Instead of "time" as we know it, each infinitessimal period of "time" could coexist simultaneously as another "universe".
Or time might actually be fixed and what we percieve to be the passage of time is just that- a perception.
    
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I'm pretty sure that the universe pretty much covers everything.....
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By that logic i could call a keyboard a higgs boson and say i've discovered evidence of the higgs boson existing...

isn't the 4th dimension time? saying other universes exist in a different part of the 4th dimension isn't anything to do with a multiverse, it's saying that the universe will collapse/has collapsed before and after collapsing will then expand again.
Got Dankit...for the trillionth time...TIME IS NOT A DIMENSION. It not your fault..for some reason there are thousands of people that say this but dont understand what a spacial dimension is. I have no Idea why so many people say this.

Here watch this
Edited by fapestar - 8/11/11 at 8:47pm
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Got Dankit...for the trillionth time...TIME IS NOT A DIMENSION. It not your fault..for some reason there are thousands of people that say this but dont understand what a spacial dimension is. I have no Idea why so many people say this.

Here watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaKzQNlMFw
Excellent video. This is exactly what I'm trying to get at. Perhaps multiple universes occupy the 4th dimension. We may never be able to see the other universes however since we are only 3D beings
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Excellent video. This is exactly what I'm trying to get at. Perhaps multiple universes occupy the 4th dimension. We may never be able to see the other universes however since we are only 3D beings
If there was a demension that occupied 4 dimensional space...it would also, and simultaneously occupy all dimensions below it.


To put it simply. 2d can go up and down, left and right. 3d can go up and down, left and right, and diagonal. 4d can go up, down, left, right, diagonal, and another plane of direction which can not be detected by a 3 dimensional entity.

This deals with the notion of PARRELELL UNIVERSES, not multi-universes.

These scientist are not looking for universes that occupy the same space...(parallel) but rather universe that have budded of from a unknown source, but still the same source our universe has.

They are checking by looking for the energy signals (backround radiation) left from our universe and another universe contacting each other.

The search for this energy IS CREDIBLE, due to the research on the uniform distibution of microwave radiation left behind by the big bang.

STRING THEORIST ON THE OTHER HAND need to prove that this background radiation (microwave) is not from a big bang but from two universal objects interacting with each other.

Honestly...I think string theorist are funny, and I cant possibly fatham a better scientific explanation of the physical word than the big bang. But who knows, in 20 years with a enough research to back them up...they may replace the Big Bang Theory...but its gonna be very very very tough.
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Got Dankit...for the trillionth time...TIME IS NOT A DIMENSION. It not your fault..for some reason there are thousands of people that say this but dont understand what a spacial dimension is. I have no Idea why so many people say this.
Can't watch the video at work, I'll check it out later. But it's no mystery why everyone believes this: it's what you're taught in school, or at least we once were. In my college physics class way back in 1988, I was very explicitly taught that "time" is a dimesnion and was used as such in equations. E.g., when we were digging into the special relativity equations, time was taught as a fourth dimesnion. Whether that was wholly accurate or not, I cannot say; but Wikipedia implies that it is at least partially accurate:

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In the geometry of special relativity, a fourth dimension is added, derived from time, so that the equation for the differential of distance becomes:
So you take information sources like that, sprinkle it liberally into science fiction and other mass consumable media, and voila. Suddenly it's common knowledge.
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