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I don't understand this reasoning. When you can get a decent 64GB for ~$100, that's a relatively small price for the noticeable increase in performance. It's enough space for the OS and programs, and it's easy to push the rest onto a traditional drive.

Regarding the use of a SSD for her PS scratch drive, I think it would last longer than you might think. That being said, I'd opt for extra RAM to reduce the writes to the SSD if you choose that route.
thanks for the reply,

yeah, I'm definitly getting at least one SSD and at least one magnetic drive.
and also will have 16GB of ram

how much space does the scratch drive usually use?
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No idea.

It mostly uses it when you run out of RAM, right? I would guess the scratch drive wouldn't actually see a whole lot of use if that's the case and PS has ~16GB of RAM to work with. Maybe some Photoshop expert will pop in with more info.
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My advice is to start with:
*16GB of RAM, 4x4GB. This is below 100$, at these prices it's the best possible thing for a Photoshop build
*128GB Crucial M4 SSD. At about 200$ this is one of the cheapest and fastest SSD you can buy. 128GB to be big enough for the OS and a scratch drive/partition.
*2x2TB WD Caviar black on that LSI controller in RAID-0 for storage - another 150$
*Nvidia 550Ti - abou 120$ it's CUDA compatible and could help the CPU a bit when using some filters in CS5/CS4

For a Photoshop build I tend to focus more on storage and memory, but the rest is also important so far storage + video = 570$

It leaves enough for:
*Intel Core i7 2600K about 300$ (Quad & HT enabled) the fastest CPU you can buy
*A P67 or Z68 motherboard like the Asus P8P67Pro review here another 200$
*Power supply the Corsair HX 650 about 80$
*Case Corsair Obsidian 650D review here for 150$

Total 1300$

Other refinements like a silent cooler and silent fans could add another 100$ but they're worth it on the long term.
Very nice list, although if you went for SB 2500k that would save you nearly $100 wouldn't it? They are very close to the same speeds, and with turbo they should be plenty fast for a workstation build, even at stock speeds.

With that opening in the budget I would suggest a better GPU then, it can help quite a bit in PS to offload onto the GPU I believe.
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Very nice list, although if you went for SB 2500k that would save you nearly $100 wouldn't it? They are very close to the same speeds, and with turbo they should be plenty fast for a workstation build, even at stock speeds.

With that opening in the budget I would suggest a better GPU then, it can help quite a bit in PS to offload onto the GPU I believe.
yeah, I was starting to think that once looking at everything. how much memory on the video chip would be good for a workstation that needs to be able to edit large documents (poster sized 8 feet x 8 feet at like 150DPI)
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the problem is she wants to have a scratch disk that is extremely fast. and hard drives just cant cut it for this =\\
I disagree 100%, what did they do before SSD drives became popular about a year ago? 10K drives are PLENTY fast for her needs. SSD are still small and expensive. Not worth the money for what she wants to do. Putting an OS on a drive smaller than 120 is just dumb, unless she is VERY computer literate or unless you want to be there to help her weekly when she runs out of space, etc. which is going to happen in <1 month b/c normal users have no idea how to use a SSD correctly. (Not worth the headache)

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I don't understand this reasoning. When you can get a decent 64GB for ~$100, that's a relatively small price for the noticeable increase in performance. It's enough space for the OS and programs, and it's easy to push the rest onto a traditional drive.

Regarding the use of a SSD for her PS scratch drive, I think it would last longer than you might think. That being said, I'd opt for extra RAM to reduce the writes to the SSD if you choose that route. Then just grab a cheap 32/40GB SSD for scratch.
I have never found 64GB enough space for an OS, updates, and programs. Do you have any idea how large Adobe is (assuming she is installing the full suite) around 5GB alone not counting the updates they push out. Minimum I would go on an SSD is 120GB if you are going to build this right.(and HAVE to use a SSD drive) Adobe doesn't play well when installed on an drive outside of the OS drive, been dealing with these issues for 5-6 years as a system admin.

This is your build, but unless you plan on helping her out a ton scratch the SSD, they make drives PLENTY fast enough for Adobe and have for years, SSD are new to the game and still don't make financial sense.

I agree that going with 32GB of ram may be a better decision than going with 16GB. This board will support 32GB of memory.
Edited by Sc4r3d - 8/4/11 at 11:06am
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I disagree 100%, what did they do before SSD drives became popular about a year ago? 10K drives are PLENTY fast for her needs. SSD are still small and expensive. Not worth the money for what she wants to do. Putting an OS on a drive smaller than 120 is just dumb, unless she is VERY computer literate or unless you want to be there to help her weekly when she runs out of space, etc. which is going to happen in <1 month b/c normal users have no idea how to use a SSD correctly. (Not worth the headache)



I have never found 64GB enough space for an OS, updates, and programs. Do you have any idea how large Adobe is (assuming she is installing the full suite) around 5GB alone not counting the updates they push out. Minimum I would go on an SSD is 120GB if you are going to build this right.(and HAVE to use a SSD drive) Adobe doesn't play well when installed on an drive outside of the OS drive, been dealing with these issues for 5-6 years as a system admin.

This is your build, but unless you plan on helping her out a ton scratch the SSD, they make drives PLENTY fast enough for Adobe and have for years, SSD are new to the game and still don't make financial sense.

I agree that going with 32GB of ram may be a better decision than going with 16GB. This board will support 32GB of memory.
when I started taking SSD's into consideration was when the user (very advanced) complained about her 15k rpm SAS cheetah hard drives not being fast enough for the kind of work she was doing. the second it switches over to scratch on the huge documents she is working on she goes and brews a cup of coffee when applying filters. (lucky for her the computer is in the kitchen) once it finishes.

this user completely understands the windows file system architecture and does not consume space like most users. she has had only 150GB on her main system drive for the last 3.5 years. I have done the math, once windows 7, master collection, and office are all installed the drive has used about 37GB. I'm guesstimating, but I believe the formatted ssd will be around 110GB, so that leaves her 73GB to work with if she decides to install more software on the system drive.
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when I started taking SSD's into consideration was when the user (very advanced) complained about her 15k rpm SAS cheetah hard drives not being fast enough for the kind of work she was doing. the second it switches over to scratch on the huge documents she is working on she goes and brews a cup of coffee when applying filters. (lucky for her the computer is in the kitchen) once it finishes.

this user completely understands the windows file system architecture and does not consume space like most users. she has had only 150GB on her main system drive for the last 3.5 years. I have done the math, once windows 7, master collection, and office are all installed the drive has used about 37GB. I'm guesstimating, but I believe the formatted ssd will be around 110GB, so that leaves her 73GB to work with if she decides to install more software on the system drive.

Well her knowledge changes the entire ball game (wish I knew before now, then I wouldn't have said what I said lol).

With that being said, go with a min 120GB SSD drive and if speed is an issue go with this drive, amazing speed. Drop down to a 2500k, use the $100 savings and put it into this drive. (read a few reviews on this drive and it looks like Patriot finally got it right. If not that drive, this one has great ratings. Toss in a couple 2 TB black drives and she should be good to go.
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I guess I kind of forgot that the whole Adobe suite might be going on it.
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My advice is to start with:
*16GB of RAM, 4x4GB. This is below 100$, at these prices it's the best possible thing for a Photoshop build
*128GB Crucial M4 SSD. At about 200$ this is one of the cheapest and fastest SSD you can buy. 128GB to be big enough for the OS and a scratch drive/partition.
*2x2TB WD Caviar black on that LSI controller in RAID-0 for storage - another 150$
*Nvidia 550Ti - abou 120$ it's CUDA compatible and could help the CPU a bit when using some filters in CS5/CS4

For a Photoshop build I tend to focus more on storage and memory, but the rest is also important so far storage + video = 570$

It leaves enough for:
*Intel Core i7 2600K about 300$ (Quad & HT enabled) the fastest CPU you can buy
*A P67 or Z68 motherboard like the Asus P8P67Pro review here another 200$
*Power supply the Corsair HX 650 about 80$
*Case Corsair Obsidian 650D review here for 150$

Total 1300$

Other refinements like a silent cooler and silent fans could add another 100$ but they're worth it on the long term.
Perfect build.

Do EXACTLY this, and I would add a 2nd SSD as the scratch-drive. Keep the 128gb as the OS drive, and have a 64gb scratch drive. Also chuck in a decent cooler to allow for OC and this build is GOLDEN.

Be SURE to keep the 2600k in the build - and yeah, Sandy Bridge is a better option than 1366. 16gb is more than enough. Make sure you get 1600mhz or higher memory (CL9 is fine).
Edited by willibj - 8/4/11 at 11:49am
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Well her knowledge changes the entire ball game (wish I knew before now, then I wouldn't have said what I said lol).

With that being said, go with a min 120GB SSD drive and if speed is an issue go with this drive, amazing speed. Drop down to a 2500k, use the $100 savings and put it into this drive. (read a few reviews on this drive and it looks like Patriot finally got it right. If not that drive, this one has great ratings. Toss in a couple 2 TB black drives and she should be good to go.
not your fault, I should have made it more clear in the beginning.

I'll definitly take a look at that patriot drive, I have one of the vertex max IOPS drives I have mine stable, but with all the firmware junk that's been going on (I just never updated mine and never had issues) about it I think I'm going to steer the build away from OCZ.
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