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They work closely with providers to offer them packages and freedom so they can customize their phones to work with their services, their own software incentives and sponsors.

It's a limited form of control that goes beyond the gui. It's not always what we want. Anytime I get an android phone I root, and add a clean streamlined rom to emulate the Google experience~ but for the average user a carrier's services can be a boon to them.

HTCs Sense UI for example goes beyond just being a GUI and is actually a feature packed application in itself. Almost like an entire Linux shell. Many who own HTC devices, even once rooted, resist the idea of changing it because of how useful it is.

Under a more closed format, Sense UI wouldn't even exist. Android however allows for such things to come to fruition.
That sounds good, but why can't Google take the place of the providers to offer these things? Or are they somehow provider specific?
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Stupid. Moronic. Idiotic. Should be shot in face immediately.

Its another attack on Android by VisionMobile. Its not as serious as it seems.

They are whining that the only people that contribute to the main project is Google, no one else can. Nothing to do with open source, just a mythological new definition from VisionMobile, open source has nothing to do with letting other people contribute to the end product.
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It's pretty obvious how closed Android really is when you look at all the cookie cutter tablets hitting the market. Google is at least making efforts to contain the tablet ecosystem. It's a lost cause for Android phones.
Cookie cutter compared to what exactly? Android tablets are more diverse than anything else on the market. You have different button layouts, different screen technologies, different form factors, different hardware, some with USB ports or pen digitizers or full sized SD card slots.

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Why can't Google lock it down like Apple but offer several different GUIs to choose from? That way, when you buy a Droid, it's a Droid. Not with some different UI. Who cares right? As long as you've got it except it'll be Google giving it to you? Or am I missing something?
The manufacturers care. They think that rather than a clean, fast, stable operating system that users want a bloated launcher that can't even run on the hardware it was designed for, just so they can say "our phone is better than your phone because it has HTC Sense©™Â®***"

Seriously though, Android could fix a ton of problems by forcing all manufacturers and carriers to abide by this one simple rule:

No modifying/replacing core OS features.

If HTC wants to add Sense to their phones, they can't replace existing Android functionality with their own, they have to add to the existing software. Every phone should be able to revert back stock Android with at most a restart. That way App developers won't have to deal with device-specific implementations of the OS, since every device will be the same underneath. They can still replace core features like the Dialer and notification bar with their own versions, but they have to let the user switch back to Google's versions if they want to.


*** Sense is a registered trademark of HTC Corporation. All Rights reserved.

Edited by nathris - 8/4/11 at 5:06pm
    
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I respectfully disagree on each point.
Okay, but on what points? So a ton of android honeycomb tablets are using the tegra 2 platform. It's the most advanced tab-oriented platform available. What would you suggest? Tab manufacturers using old, out-dated hardware? How about an A5 cortex that's in the ipad2 that can barely handle SD video playback (okay, I'm exaggerating a little there). If available hardware isn't a problem, then what WOULD you suggest the latest tablets use?

I'm not saying that we don't need more apt choices for platforms to be used for tablets and such, but there isn't any realistic diverse hardware. It's not a reflection of Android's "locked-down" state that drives tablet manufacturers to choose tegra 2, it's the fact of the matter that at the time of production, it was the most advanced and affordable choice, and there was really only one realistic option.

Same thing happened with all of the atom-based netbooks that initially flooded the market (and still persist). The atom was the most power-efficient CPU available at the time by a long shot, which contributed to the "cookie cutter" netbooks that flooded the market. What else would someone use? A bigger, more power-hungry CPU just to be different?

Android can be used on a wide variety of ARM-based processors, not just tegra 2. But why would a manufacturer NOT choose the most advanced at the time of production?
    
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Nothing to do with open source, just a mythological new definition from VisionMobile, open source has nothing to do with letting other people contribute to the end product.
Technically no, but in practice it has everything to do with that. If code contributions by the community are not allowed, then the project is no more open than a proprietary project except that derivatives/forks are possible (but can not but called Android devices). Now Google technically allows contributions, but nobody knows if those contributions ever make it into the project except Google.

In the end, the open source nature of Android and its development is more a marketing catchphrase than a meaningful feature.
Edited by randomizer - 8/5/11 at 9:45pm
    
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it's still more open than any of its main mobile os competitors...
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Okay, but on what points? So a ton of android honeycomb tablets are using the tegra 2 platform. It's the most advanced tab-oriented platform available. What would you suggest? Tab manufacturers using old, out-dated hardware? How about an A5 cortex that's in the ipad2 that can barely handle SD video playback (okay, I'm exaggerating a little there).
This is completely untrue. The Apple A5 is based on the Cortex A8. It is about as fast as the Tegra 2.

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open source has nothing to do with letting other people contribute to the end product.
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it's still more open than any of its main mobile os competitors...
It sort of is. If Apple decided to open up the source code for iOS and allowed developers to submit contributions, but maintained absolute control over when the source is released, what features will be added to each version, the development roadmap and what community contributions (if any) ever make it into the actual release, then they would be on par with Google's openness with Android.
    
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This is completely untrue. The Apple A5 is based on the Cortex A8. It is about as fast as the Tegra 2.
Yeah, I think I was getting too excited when I was typing--I meant to talk about the ipad/A4, not ipad2/A5 (too used to discussing the most current hardware). No arguments that tegra 2 and the A5 platform are similar in terms of hardware capabilities. I was trying to make the argument that tegra 2 is really the only option for android tablets that want to use the most-capable hardware, so it stands to reason that most tablets will be "cookie cutter" since really only one hardware platform is available--and NOT because android/honeycomb dictates what hardware is usable/supported (implying that it's not an 'open source' option).
    
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