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This is completely untrue. The Apple A5 is based on the Cortex A8. It is about as fast as the Tegra 2.
The A5 uses a Cortex A9 (like the Tegra 2) and not an A8. Further, the A5 is faster than Tegra 2 due to the inclusion of a NEON core and a faster GPU. That said, Tegra 3 should be faster when it releases in the near future.

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The moment they do that the Android project is finished.

With full access to the source hardware manufacturers will have a field day trying to create custom versions for their phones, and within a year Android will cease to exist, being replaced by Android Sense, Android TouchWiz, Android MotoBlur, etc... Since they will be so fundamentally different that nobody will be able to develop apps for all of them.

Imagine if Gnome and KDE were proprietary, so that if you wanted to run a GTK app you would need to install Gnome, and Gnome would only be available on Fedora. If you wanted to run a Qt app you would need KDE, which would only be available on openSUSE.

That's what will happen if Android goes full open source.

Also, Apple will probably sue Google for infringing on 500 bogus patents once they dig evidence out of the source and twist it around until it says what they want it to say.

If anything Android is too open source.
Android manufacturers would not be allowed to use the Android trademark if they made major modifications to the underlying OS. Further, these manufacturers realize that they have strength in the numbers provide by a unified operating system. It is possible to modify all the previous versions of Android, but companies have opted not to and this decision would continue if they were more involved in the design process. What would change would be that the hardware manufacturers could have input into the design and programming process meaning that Android updates would run better and be released faster for both existing and upcoming devices.

edit: also worth noting is that none of the more open OS's have been injured by being more open, but instead have tended to be more unified and avoiding fragmentation.
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Thing is... that there are already countless OS's which will run on older laptops.
Yes but OS's need a sorta of critical mass in terms of userbase for things like constant updates and supply of new applications. IMO, Most of the Linux distro's simply don't have it.
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Yes but OS's need a sorta of critical mass in terms of userbase for things like constant updates and supply of new applications. IMO, Most of the Linux distro's simply don't have it.
I think you will find that most lots of distros have a fairly regular update schedule. (With obvious exceptions).
As for new apps... 99.5% of what I need to do can be done using *nix apps. The only 2 things I do in Windows but not in linux are gaming and music-recording. I could do music recording, but do not have the time at the moment to configure my hardware and the relevant software - for ease I stcik with Cubase


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The moment they do that the Android project is finished.

With full access to the source hardware manufacturers will have a field day trying to create custom versions for their phones, and within a year Android will cease to exist, being replaced by Android Sense, Android TouchWiz, Android MotoBlur, etc... Since they will be so fundamentally different that nobody will be able to develop apps for all of them.

Imagine if Gnome and KDE were proprietary, so that if you wanted to run a GTK app you would need to install Gnome, and Gnome would only be available on Fedora. If you wanted to run a Qt app you would need KDE, which would only be available on openSUSE.

That's what will happen if Android goes full open source.

Also, Apple will probably sue Google for infringing on 500 bogus patents once they dig evidence out of the source and twist it around until it says what they want it to say.

If anything Android is too open source.
This.

I see a lot of people act like Open Source is always a great thing, and it isn't. There are many situations where I would rather not have the code available to everyone to do with what they please.
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This.

I see a lot of people act like Open Source is always a great thing, and it isn't. There are many situations where I would rather not have the code available to everyone to do with what they please.
this could be true but.....

If manufacturers wanted to fork Android for their own uses, they could.The source code is publicly available for all released versions (except honeycomb, but the honeycomb source is still available to device makers). Then only source not available is the upcoming releases. This serves no purpose except to leave everyone at the mercy of Google.
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this could be true but.....

If manufacturers wanted to fork Android for their own uses, they could.The source code is publicly available for all released versions (except honeycomb, but the honeycomb source is still available to device makers). Then only source not available is the upcoming releases. This serves no purpose except to leave everyone at the mercy of Google.
Except, there's no driver code. Why try to fork on OS, when you have no driver code to talk to hardware? This is why Linus and the LKML gave up on including Android code in the kernel mainline.
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Except, there's no driver code. Why try to fork on OS, when you have no driver code to talk to hardware? This is why Linus and the LKML gave up on including Android code in the kernel mainline.
I was under the impression that each device manufacturer was responsible for including the appropriate drivers with its device and that these drivers are obtained from the chip manufacturers.
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