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Originally Posted by Blindsay;14465660 
maybe some people just want something new with a warranty?

Also, almost IPS panels are identical? pretty sure my U3011 stomps all over my U2311H

There's no justifiable reason to get a warranty on monitors.

They almost never "break" and if they do, it's usually not fixable.

Unless you're referring to "zero-dead-pixel" warranty - in which case, the seller would be frank with you about the amount of dead/stuck pixels.

Your U3011 costs 3-5x as much as your U2311H. I'm talking about monitors that are or were in t hat price range at some point in time. Obviously an eIPS sub-300$ panel wouldn't compete.

Not to say that a common person could tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by Remix65;14465774 
the display market feels like politics. they decide what's good for us.

imo there's no real reason why there are no 2560x1600 TN panels. who ever makes them would make a killing coz 1600p IPS are over priced.

lets not forget in the very near future there's gonna be 2560x1600 10" tablets. how is tablet technology is moving faster?

You don't understand what a free market is.

It's the opposite of politics. The people decide what they want, the companies apply their products to that demand.

Politics, in technicality, is supposed to be the same. But these days, it's more like AT&T - coming up with a product and giving them no other choice. That's a free-market failure, where they have all the power.

The reason there are no 30" TN panels or 1600p 22" monitors and there are going to be 10" 1600p panels is because that is what the people want.
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Things aren't truly made to just "support" 720p or 1080p, as they are merely resolutions. The standard is 16:9, and 1440p follows that, only it's a higher resolution so will be the same but superior by having more detail.

So you're saying that having no black bars is more important than pixelization?

Yes, 1440p will be 1:1 compatible with 720p, but it will look stretched and mushy. Same goes for 1080p.

Until there is 1440p content, there will be no widespread demand no manufacturer 1440p displays.

The U2711 and U3011 and their predecessors are and have always been as niche as the flagship graphics cards on their launch dates.
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free market huh? believing in a free market in 2011 is like believing in god. its an illusion in your head.
    
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free market huh? believing in a free market in 2011 is like believing in god. its an illusion in your head.
Free market in a democracy is as undeniable as gravity.

If you don't "believe" in free market, then either you don't understand it, or you were forced to buy the computer you're currently on because there were no other options.
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Because it'd be a very small market, as others have said. Only a few people actually buy such large displays, and most of those people want quality anyways, so they go with the IPS version. To produce TN panels there would be a nonwise marketing decision.

And really, I don't support the continuing market dominance of a technology like TN. It's GOOD that there aren't TN panels out there that can achieve those resolutions, because TN is a horrible technology that should not be allowed to live in the more than 1080p section for those who don't give a squat about quality and want it cheap.

Here's to hoping those TNs won't get up there within the next few years.


@track: 720p is the second native of 2560x1440, therefore it will NOT look stretched and mushy. It's because on 720p, the display can simply use 4 pixels to make one. Something like 1366x768 WOULD appear mushy, but 720p would not. Just fixing that for ya.
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so how do "they" know that there is no market for cheap 2560x1600 TN?......have "they" tried?.......there are some really nice 22'' 1920x1080 LED monitors which sell for around $200.......i bought 3 for $145ea.......they look damn good.....so why wouldn't a 30'' 2560x1600 version of that sell ?
    
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so how do "they" know that there is no market for cheap 2560x1600 TN?......have "they" tried?.......there are some really nice 22'' 1920x1080 LED monitors which sell for around $200.......i bought 3 for $145ea.......they look damn good.....so why wouldn't a 30'' 2560x1600 version of that sell ?
Because it'd still be expensive to manufacture, ending up at around 500 or more dollars (even more if there wouldn't be a large market, which there wouldn't), and the people KNOW their business, the market would be too small to be profitable. It'd be such a middle ground that it'd not sell so well, even if a couple of you guys would want one. Really, if you want the resolution, go get the IPS version. They make your display (the one which supposedly looks damned good) look like crap. Because they're high end IPS.


But really, the marketing peoples at the companies know their business, they know that it is not going to be profitable to do so, at least for now.
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post #27 of 78
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There's no justifiable reason to get a warranty on monitors.

They almost never "break" and if they do, it's usually not fixable.

Unless you're referring to "zero-dead-pixel" warranty - in which case, the seller would be frank with you about the amount of dead/stuck pixels.

Your U3011 costs 3-5x as much as your U2311H. I'm talking about monitors that are or were in t hat price range at some point in time. Obviously an eIPS sub-300$ panel wouldn't compete.

Not to say that a common person could tell the difference.



You don't understand what a free market is.

It's the opposite of politics. The people decide what they want, the companies apply their products to that demand.

Politics, in technicality, is supposed to be the same. But these days, it's more like AT&T - coming up with a product and giving them no other choice. That's a free-market failure, where they have all the power.

The reason there are no 30" TN panels or 1600p 22" monitors and there are going to be 10" 1600p panels is because that is what the people want.



So you're saying that having no black bars is more important than pixelization?

Yes, 1440p will be 1:1 compatible with 720p, but it will look stretched and mushy. Same goes for 1080p.

Until there is 1440p content, there will be no widespread demand no manufacturer 1440p displays.

The U2711 and U3011 and their predecessors are and have always been as niche as the flagship graphics cards on their launch dates.
even if they break rarely id rather not risk being out 1k, even if warranty is not important to you, its important to a lot of people


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Because it'd be a very small market, as others have said. Only a few people actually buy such large displays, and most of those people want quality anyways, so they go with the IPS version. To produce TN panels there would be a nonwise marketing decision.

And really, I don't support the continuing market dominance of a technology like TN. It's GOOD that there aren't TN panels out there that can achieve those resolutions, because TN is a horrible technology that should not be allowed to live in the more than 1080p section for those who don't give a squat about quality and want it cheap.

Here's to hoping those TNs won't get up there within the next few years.


@track: 720p is the second native of 2560x1440, therefore it will NOT look stretched and mushy. It's because on 720p, the display can simply use 4 pixels to make one. Something like 1366x768 WOULD appear mushy, but 720p would not. Just fixing that for ya.
i wish TN would die
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post #28 of 78
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i wish TN would die
You see, that's not wise. TN should be allowed to live as the general office / school / PC illiterate user monitor. Cheap and works fine enough. IPS should just grow so most people beyond that would transfer. And not make some efforts to keep TN alive by increasing the resolution.
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You see, that's not wise. TN should be allowed to live as the general office / school / PC illiterate user monitor. Cheap and works fine enough. IPS should just grow so most people beyond that would transfer. And not make some efforts to keep TN alive by increasing the resolution.
I'm writing this from a TN monitor right now. It's actually hard to notice the difference with everyday use.

The problem isn't TN, it's that IPS is so expensive.

I'm glad to see a E2311-type monitor under 300$.

But really, everyone here is crying out because large monitors are expensive..

Just buy refurbished! They're super-cheap and come with warranty.
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That's my point. TN is great for stuff that doesn't require image quality.(browsing, office work) But IPS is better for stuff that does benefit from it, and thus should be pushed on the market just a bit more. Not trying to keep TN in the market for monitors meant for more than just basic stuff.


Or you can always buy them used. 30" monitors go for 550€ used here. And they cost 1300 to 1500€ new, no sales. 27" monitors are so rare here that they aren't sold used, though they only cost 770€ new from the only shop that sells them.
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