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post #11 of 139
As well as stop talking about server parts as if they are desktop parts.

Totally different uses, each has.

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The server BDs are supposedly clocked similarly to the previous generation, so that means no improvement in IPC.

So fail in programs that only use ≤4 threads.


Again, thanks for your input, AMD Engineer.
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Again, thanks for your input, AMD Engineer.
The architecture is the same. The difference is server chips clock lower, have more cores, have a lower TDP, use a different socket, have a better IMC, can be used in multi-CPU setups, etc. 12 core at 2.5 GHz vs 16 core at 2.3/2.8 GHz... 35% improvement over the first for the latter means no increase in IPC. If there's no increase in IPC for servers, there's almost definitely no increase in IPC for desktops.

I honestly cannot believe that IPC will remain the same, though, based on the architecture. Something really had to have messed up.

Oh and by the way, he said "performance", not "throughput". So the comparison between server and desktop is somewhat valid.

I'm still going to wait for benchmarks, but this is looking bad.
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I don't get you people. And anyway, the 50% projected increase was regarding desktop, this 35% increase is regarding server.

People need to stop seeing "Bulldozer" and mangling all the facts together, and stop typing gibberish.

With a totally new architecture it's virtually impossible that performance would stay the same. One, why bother creating a new architecture if it has the exact same performance, and two, why waste the money on doing that if there are no increases? It doesn't make sense.
post #14 of 139
Nah, things will even out. The core performance will be better than that of last gen i7's and they will have twice as much cores which games will start to use over the next year I think.

I don't think BD will fail if it is priced competitively. The server and desktop markets are totally different right? Surely outside judgements are ignorant anyhow.
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Nah, things will even out. The core performance will be better than that of last gen i7's and they will have twice as much cores which games will start to use over the next year I think.

I don't think BD will fail if it is priced competitively. The server and desktop markets are totally different right? Surely outside judgements are ignorant anyhow.
Thank you!

As well as the markets being different, the chips are different. Some people seem to forget that:

Interlagos = Server
Zambezi = Desktop
Architecture = Bulldozer

Server parts focus on reliability, features, low power draw etc rather than raw (clock) speed.

Desktop parts, for the most part, are stuck into OEM machines (remember overclockers aren't the majority) and are focused on speed to a degree. They come clocked pretty high from what we've seen which is good for OEM machines, they get awesome performance without having to overclock. Turbo boost comes into play as well.

And retail chips are for us, the enthusiasts. We just like to tinker and make it go faster
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Looks like about 74 gflops for the 8-core bulldozer at 2.8 ghz. Faster then a 3.8 ghz (67 gflops) i7-2600k. Theoretically of course.

Calculated by taking the current gflop performance of the Opteron 6176 SE, multiplying by 1.35 (for the 35 percent claim), calulating per core performance, multiply by 8 (or half the original anyways). Looking good for desktop Bulldozer.
Edited by Domino - 8/4/11 at 4:48pm
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Disappointing... 35% increase for only 33% more cores.
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Be honest, what were you thinking when you made that post?

That it would perhaps engage people in a sensible discussion about server market shares, or were you aiming to upset AMD users?

Somehow, I think I know which one.
I was really just laughing at the graph. I thought Amd has a lot better market share then that
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