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I don't get you people. And anyway, the 50% projected increase was regarding desktop, this 35% increase is regarding server.

People need to stop seeing "Bulldozer" and mangling all the facts together, and stop typing gibberish.

With a totally new architecture it's virtually impossible that performance would stay the same. One, why bother creating a new architecture if it has the exact same performance, and two, why waste the money on doing that if there are no increases? It doesn't make sense.
50% was regarding throughput.

Zambezi and Interlagos are very similar, but they are optimized for their purposes. THE IPC IS IDENTICAL.

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Looks like about 74 gflops for the 8-core bulldozer at 2.8 ghz. Faster then a 3.8 ghz (67 gflops) i7-2600k. Theoretically of course.

Calculated by taking the current gflop performance of the Opteron 6176 SE, multiplying by 1.35 (for the 35 percent claim), calulating per core performance, multiply by 8 (or half the original anyways). Looking good for desktop Bulldozer.
According to the information in the article, your calculation is incorrect.

Xbit says:

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AMD now claims that the 16-core offering will be 35% faster than 12-core solution (which is natural, given 33% higher core count) and not 50%, as it initially expected. It is also noteworthy that Bulldozer's per-core performance is not projected to be much higher compared to existing microprocessors.
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post #23 of 139
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I don't get you people. And anyway, the 50% projected increase was regarding desktop, this 35% increase is regarding server.

People need to stop seeing "Bulldozer" and mangling all the facts together, and stop typing gibberish.
nope,the 50% was regarding server from the beginning

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"From a performance standpoint, if you compare our 16-core Interlagos to our current 12-core AMD Opteron 6100-series processors (code named “Magny Coursâ€) we estimate that customers will see up to 50% more performance from 33% more cores. This means we expect the per core performance to go in the right direction - up," explained John Fruehe, the director of product marketing for server/workstation products at AMD.
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I would be extremely disappointed if the average IPC isn't at least 20% higher than the previous generation.

If BD can't make up for performance in IPC, it better with clock speed.
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nope,the 50% was regarding server from the beginning
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From a performance standpoint, if you compare our 16-core Interlagos to our current 12-core AMD Opteron 6100-series processors (code named “Magny Cours”) we estimate that customers will see up to 50% more performance from 33% more cores. This means we expect the per core performance to go in the right direction - up," explained John Fruehe, the director of product marketing for server/workstation products at AMD.

If this article is correct, it's not good news at all. If they're seriously claiming 35% more performance from 33% higher core count (12 to 16), then that means the new architecture has made no significant contribution to performance...
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post #26 of 139
the same topic that never ends

wait the release, can not?

if BD is pure noise, choose a SB Only when you see the yield is low and the price much higher.

greetings comrades!
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AMD doesn't make high performance Server chips, every thing I see about their server processors is more performance-per-watt. These chips are doing just that anyway, 33% more performance for the same or less power. When you're running a farm of servers it makes a huge difference.

I'm still waiting for REAL benchmarks of DESKTOP processors to come out, and I'll probably be buying one of the top 8core CPUs.
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The architecture is the same. The difference is server chips clock lower, have more cores, have a lower TDP, use a different socket, have a better IMC, can be used in multi-CPU setups, etc. 12 core at 2.5 GHz vs 16 core at 2.3/2.8 GHz... 35% improvement over the first for the latter means no increase in IPC. If there's no increase in IPC for servers, there's almost definitely no increase in IPC for desktops.

I honestly cannot believe that IPC will remain the same, though, based on the architecture. Something really had to have messed up.

Oh and by the way, he said "performance", not "throughput". So the comparison between server and desktop is somewhat valid.

I'm still going to wait for benchmarks, but this is looking bad.
Should I dig up some of your and Seronx's previous posts of how you guys guaranteed 35% - 50% increase in IPC.

Nah, sounds like you already know.
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If i was indeed that i would have made a joke about amd needing 16 cores to beat ivy bridge

Besides i'm going to be on my best behavior till benchmarks are released then probably get banned for laughing
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If i was indeed that i would have made a joke about amd needing 16 cores to beat ivy bridge
Then why are you always posting unrelated, inflammatory material?

Wow, an architecture coming in half a year from now
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