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Thank you for posting this. It gives me faith... I was starting to wonder how I was going to be able to afford a Core i7 3930k.
Here is the big issue with that drawing. When you look at it, you MUST consider the importance of core count.

For example, look at Istanbul vs. Magny-Cours. Looks impressive, right?

But consider that Istanbul is 6-core while Magny-Cours is up to 12 core. The increase in performance is EXPECTED from the increase in core count, even if there is little to no change in IPC.

Now consider that Magny-Cours is 8/12 core, while Bulldozer will have up to 16 cores. The predicted increase in integer performance can almost entirely be attributed to the 33% rise in core count.

The predicted increase in FP performance seems overly optimistic, and I'm skeptical of its accuracy. Istanbul and Magny-Cours are built on very similar architectures, yet AMD claims > 2x increase in FP performance going from 6 core Istanbul to 12 core Magny Cours. If that's the case, then they would be able to claim a similarly large increase in FP performance going from 12 core Magny Cours to 16 core Bulldozer even if the architecture was unchanged.

See the problem here?
Edited by 996gt2 - 8/5/11 at 1:49pm
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The server chips are the same Bulldozer core as the desktop ones, exactly the same. If Interlagos IPC sucks (I'm not saying it does/will) then desktop BD will suck.
Well yeah you are right about that,maybe there isn't a difference but there are not even benchmarks of the opteron processors so we can't conclude anything yet.

Anyway if bulldozer isn't not better than phenom II core per core(not just adding cores) I'll be definitely disappointed,Phenom FX was announced when the first phenom was released(3 or 4 years ago) they are still not available and they must be a lot better than phenom II not be a failure.

I'm still waiting and saving to upgrade to bulldozer when they come out.
 
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Thank you for posting this. It gives me faith... I was starting to wonder how I was going to be able to afford a Core i7 3930k.
That graph shows the following things:

Per-Core integer performance goes up 12.5%.
Per-Core FLOP performance goes up 36.7%.

I'm assuming this is in relation to Phenom II architecture Opterons...so you can draw conclusions from this information somewhat...(as I'm about to)...

An 8 core Bulldozer @ 3ghz versus a Phenom X6 @ 3ghz will be:
82% faster at FLOP calcs
50% faster at integer calcs.

However, there's a really good chance that Bulldozer will be able to OC easily to 5ghz considering the chips start at 3.8ghz with turbo even higher. In which case the numbers for a 5ghz 8 core BD against a 3.8ghz Phenom X6 would be:
107% faster at FLOPS
66% faster at Integer

This means an 8 core BD chip @ 5ghz should be capable of a CineBench 11.5 score of over 14. Highest scores on 980x/990x chips are roughly 12.5 (with OC'd chips).

If the BD is indeed capable of CineBench scores of 14, then it also quite handily smacks the 2600k which will put up scores of 9.7 @ 5ghz.

SB-E chips @ 5ghz will score roughly 14.5 or so.

BUT. My entire post assumes the next processor on AMD's chart is based on the Phenom II architecture and that the clock speed is more or less identical between the two procs. It also assumes the graph is remotely accurate.
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However, there's a really good chance that Bulldozer will be able to OC easily to 5ghz considering the chips start at 3.8ghz with turbo even higher.
On water. I don't see 5ghz happening with air especially with a 130W TDP
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On water. I don't see 5ghz happening with air especially with a 130W TDP
On water is fine. Don't think many people are pushing SB to 5ghz on air for the most part. All my 2600k boxes are on water to have them run 5ghz 24/7.

IF Bulldozer is capable of a CineBench score of 14 in any sustainable way (ie: 24/7 stable OC) then it will overtake a dual Xeon e5 with an "SR-3" motherboard in terms of price/performance.

That means I can get behind AMD and buy the hell out of some BD chips for my render farm. I was originally going to wait for dual CPU, overclockable SB-E boards.

If any of this stuff is true to base my math off of in the first place...
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On water is fine. Don't think many people are pushing SB to 5ghz on air for the most part. All my 2600k boxes are on water to have them run 5ghz 24/7.
Youd be surprised how many guys run 5Ghz on air
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When will people start using the "Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles" area. Its getting silly.

Overclock Sandy bridge too whatever you like, its still only a quad core at the end of the day.
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Youd be surprised how many guys run 5Ghz on air
Might need to have a good chip to do that. My 2600k chips break 80 degrees even on water (in the summer) under 24/7 stress.
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I probably know why they have been announcing a new architecture since 2009 and still haven't shown real benchmarks: IT SUCKS BALLS.
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I probably know why they have been anouncing a new architecture since 2009 and still haven't shown real benchmarks: IT SUCKS BALLS.
If you have any vested interest in the computing world, whether you love Intel or AMD...you'd better hope Bulldozer is great.
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