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post #91 of 139
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Originally Posted by kweechy View Post
If you have any vested interest in the computing world, whether you love Intel or AMD...you'd better hope Bulldozer is great.
competition is great because it drives prices down, but if they don't increase IPC performance too much and still only add cores and cores it won't help too much.
post #92 of 139
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Originally Posted by xGTx View Post
competition is great because it drives prices down, but if they don't increase IPC performance too much and still only add cores and cores it won't help too much.
I fully agree, and the prices on the Opteron chips right now is absurd for their performance as well.

Like I said though, we've got to really hope for Bulldozer to be a winner.

Looking at reports like this one from Tom's a couple months back seem to back up similar math to what I had done in my previous post...http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Bul...ore,12445.html

To save you from digging and reading it:
32 Interlagos cores @ 1.8ghz = C-score array of 25 seconds
4 i5 2500k cores @ 3.3ghz = C-score array of 61 seconds

Doubling the clock speed of Interlagos to 3.6ghz puts it around 12.5 seconds. Dropping the core count to 8 from 32 puts it at around 50 seconds.

In essence, 8 BD cores @ 3.6ghz are 22% faster than 4 Sandy Bridge cores @ 3.3ghz...and if you really want to distill the equation further by normalizing the clock speeds:

1 BD core = 0.6 SB cores (or 1.2 SB 'threads')
Edited by kweechy - 8/5/11 at 3:48pm
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post #93 of 139
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On water. I don't see 5ghz happening with air especially with a 130W TDP
TDP =/= actual power consumption, voltage tolerance, voltage to speed scaling, heat tolerance & capability.
For all we know, BD could be 6Ghz possible on the right motherboard and cooling, despite the 125W standard TDP.
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post
While the desktop Zambezi parts will obviously benefit from the higher clock speeds, the underlying microarchitecture is the same between the desktop and server parts.
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Originally Posted by linkin93 View Post
Thank you for that, AMD Engineer.
Linkin93, like it or not he is right. You don't have to be an AMD engineer to know understand this, it is common knowledge to anyone who has been keeping up with Bulldozer.
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I fully agree, and the prices on the Opteron chips right now is absurd for their performance as well.

Like I said though, we've got to really hope for Bulldozer to be a winner.

Looking at reports like this one from Tom's a couple months back seem to back up similar math to what I had done in my previous post...http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Bul...ore,12445.html

To save you from digging and reading it:
32 Interlagos cores @ 1.8ghz = C-score array of 25 seconds
4 i5 2500k cores @ 3.3ghz = C-score array of 61 seconds

Doubling the clock speed of Interlagos to 3.6ghz puts it around 12.5 seconds. Dropping the core count to 8 from 32 puts it at around 50 seconds.

In essence, 8 BD cores @ 3.6ghz are 22% faster than 4 Sandy Bridge cores @ 3.3ghz...and if you really want to distill the equation further by normalizing the clock speeds:

1 BD core = 0.6 SB cores (or 1.2 SB 'threads')
If that is the case, IVY will trump Bulldozer.
 
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I fully agree, and the prices on the Opteron chips right now is absurd for their performance as well.

Like I said though, we've got to really hope for Bulldozer to be a winner.

Looking at reports like this one from Tom's a couple months back seem to back up similar math to what I had done in my previous post...http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Bul...ore,12445.html

To save you from digging and reading it:
32 Interlagos cores @ 1.8ghz = C-score array of 25 seconds
4 i5 2500k cores @ 3.3ghz = C-score array of 61 seconds

Doubling the clock speed of Interlagos to 3.6ghz puts it around 12.5 seconds. Dropping the core count to 8 from 32 puts it at around 50 seconds.

In essence, 8 BD cores @ 3.6ghz are 22% faster than 4 Sandy Bridge cores @ 3.3ghz...and if you really want to distill the equation further by normalizing the clock speeds:

1 BD core = 0.6 SB cores (or 1.2 SB 'threads')
That's a terrible early engineering sample.

When engineering sample benchmarks of SledgeHammer (aka K8/Athlon 64) leaked, they showed pretty bad performance. It scored ~5300 in PCMark 2002's CPU test.

The final product scored around 7200.

So, if history is any indication, one BD "core" will be equal to around 0.8 SB cores. Or you could say, one BD module will be equal to 1.7 SB cores.
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So, if history is any indication, one BD "core" will be equal to around 0.8 SB cores. Or you could say, one BD module will be equal to 1.7 SB cores.
Lets hope that is the case as we, the consumer, could do with healthy competition in the CPU market.
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So are you saying Xbit fabricated a quote supposedly from AMD's interim CEO?

maybe people took those claims out of context or misinterpreted those performance numbers


????


and if so why wont amd release benchmark if they allready told us the 35% improvement in performance???


something doesnt add up


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I do agree that the tone of Xbit's article was a bit strong, but nonetheless they backed up their claims with facts...you know, quotes directly from AMD's interim CEO. If anything, AMD's CEO would put a positive spin on anything he says about an upcoming product, so we can take his words to be an optimistic prediction of Bulldozer's performance.
maybe those numbers were badly explained and taken out of context by every media ... otherwise we would allready have access to benchmarks since it would reveal performance compared to a current product ...


something doesnt add up ..




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Netburst was a very new design. And it was slower than P3, clock-for-clock.

thank you for the clarification with netburst


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Nice summary, I was NOT looking forward to going through 10 pages of Intel fanboys/AMD haters.

I'd like to point out that Llano has a 6% performance increase in IPC over the Phenom II architecture, and it's a VERY slightly tweaked Phenom II core, with No L2. Seeing how monstrous the BD architecture is, and assuming the transistor count is competitive, and one module can "work" on one thread with a decent amount of efficiency.. I think BD will be a huge success.

So I should ask- can a single module(2 cores) "work" at 100% on a single-threaded application? I'm kind of confused on how the arch. works, like could it act like a quad-core for gaming, and like an 8-core for video encoding?
we dont really know how the module concept will work with real world workload so i cant say if what you described would be possible


all i can say is wait a bit and see from yourself


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On water. I don't see 5ghz happening with air especially with a 130W TDP
you dont seem to see alot of good stuff comming from amd .. yet you predict god like overclocking from intel




@ everyone: id like it if amd would have at least 40% shares of total cpu sales in the world ... this way we would have a real competitive market


not some pseudo competition
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@ everyone: id like it if amd would have at least 40% shares of total cpu sales in the world ... this way we would have a real competitive market


not some pseudo competition
It's monopolistic competition.

The fact that AMD's new architecture is late, and therefore they're so far behind, is just icing on the Intel cake. (I hope the icing isn't on the die... then again I do, screw Intel)
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It's monopolistic competition.

The fact that AMD's new architecture is late, and therefore they're so far behind, is just icing on the Intel cake. (I hope the icing isn't on the die... then again I do, screw Intel)

oxymoron detected

LOL sorry i had to do it
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