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Is it smart to put Arctic Cooling MX 4 on a MSI 6950 TF III?
Take it from me. Don't mess with it. It's not worth the headache...
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IIVisionII:

You mentioned a thermal pad was affected. Have you checked the thermal pads on the voltage regulators and on the RAM of your graphics card? It may well be that the heat is coming from them and not from your GPU core.
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IIVisionII:

You mentioned a thermal pad was affected. Have you checked the thermal pads on the voltage regulators and on the RAM of your graphics card? It may well be that the heat is coming from them and not from your GPU core.
The thought did cross my mind so i examined all the thermal pads. 2 of the pads on the VRMs were damaged, so i cut out a little extra piece (blue) where there was no chip underneath and used it to replace the damaged pads on the VRMs (yellow) . One of the memory chips has a slightly ripped pad (big yellow) as well, but i don't have anything to replace that with.

I don't know how to tell what part is causing the temperature increase, thus don't know which part to focus on.

Pic shows you what i mean
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You're voiding your warranty to put tim on a card that already has excellent cooling, so I'd say it's not very smart...

however, if this doesn't bother you I don't know whether or not mx-4 is dangerous. someone else can answer that
What makes you think you void MSI's warranty to replace TIM?
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The thought did cross my mind so i examined all the thermal pads. 2 of the pads on the VRMs were damaged, so i cut out a little extra piece (blue) where there was no chip underneath and used it to replace the damaged pads on the VRMs (yellow) . One of the memory chips has a slightly ripped pad (big yellow) as well, but i don't have anything to replace that with.

I don't know how to tell what part is causing the temperature increase, thus don't know which part to focus on.

Pic shows you what i mean
You're fine... Make sure your heat sink is clean.

Again are you running xfire or single card?
 
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You're fine... Make sure your heat sink is clean.

Again are you running xfire or single card?
I am not running crossfire. I have a 6970 and a 4830 in there running totally separately from one another. The 4830 is installed solely for the purpose of having s-video out to connect to my tv. I could take it out for testing, but when I first put it in there, it only raised all temps (including gpu) by 1-3C (before my tim disaster).

And as far as the heatsink being clean, I cleaned it off well with 91% alcohol before applying the tim. I also did the same to all exposed heatsink and memory surfaces before re-attaching the heatsink.
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What makes you think you void MSI's warranty to replace TIM?
My specific card has a label over one of the screws for the cooler that voids the warranty if broken. I had heard many other cards being like this.
    
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You're voiding your warranty to put tim on a card that already has excellent cooling, so I'd say it's not very smart...

however, if this doesn't bother you I don't know whether or not mx-4 is dangerous. someone else can answer that
Better stop saying incorrect things before people start quoting you and mocking you. I've never had to RMA a graphics card before, but MSI has had no problems accepting motherboards with AS-5 on the NB/SB.

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My specific card has a label over one of the screws for the cooler that voids the warranty if broken. I had heard many other cards being like this.
Aren't you part of the OCN community? I'm pretty sure others have tried using something like an X-acto knife to "lift" the sticker part and just workaround that.

@OP: if you can, try using AS-5, but only use a very small dot (less than a rice grain if possible). Try as best as you can to avoid it spreading past the GPU core. I use AS-5 on my CPU, Northbridge, Southbridge, and on both my GPUs. Haven't had problems and my temps are wonderful.

I would take Lord Xeb on his offer of those better TIMs though, they perform better than AS-5 and have little to no cure time.
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@OP: if you can, try using AS-5, but only use a very small dot (less than a rice grain if possible). Try as best as you can to avoid it spreading past the GPU core. I use AS-5 on my CPU, Northbridge, Southbridge, and on both my GPUs. Haven't had problems and my temps are wonderful.

I would take Lord Xeb on his offer of those better TIMs though, they perform better than AS-5 and have little to no cure time.
Hmm, I haven't tried a dot of AS-5 yet. I've only tried it as the asterix pattern. Perhaps I will try that later, but I'm a little worried that each time i remove and reapply the heatsink, i'm risking damaging those thermal pads even more.

I hadn't realized Lord Xeb had made that offer. I sent him a pm.
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Kokin I'm on your "side", I also believe/know that MSI doesn't have a problem with TIM replacement with the vast majority of their cards, but I don't think we should be advocating warranty/RMA fraud.

Preston if your card has those warranty void if removed stickers then it's the first MSI I've heard of with them but I'm not calling you a liar, it's too bad that MSI choose to do that but I would adhere to their rules rather than try and work around it. If MSI wants you to be forced into an RMA if your temps get too high rather than fix it yourself with a TIM replacement then let them deal with it and have them send you a replacement.

Vision I would try and use as little TIM as possible, from your first pics you were quite obviously using too much IMO, and it the more recent blurry pics it appears you're still using too much. You have a pretty small die there so just a grain of rice should be enough. Spreading the TIM is generally not to be recommended as it causes air bubbles really easily but in this circumstance it could help you to apply to correct amount. So if you'd like try spreading literally as thin of a layer as you can on the GPU die and then let the pressure of the vapor chamber spread/compress it even more. Remember the TIM is only there instead of air, or in other words having a layer of TIM isn't the goal but just to have TIM rather than the minuscule amount of air that would be there otherwise.
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