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First of all hello guys , sorry if my first post here is to ask help from you guys , i've been wandering here since a long time as a guest but today before buying some upgrades for my computer i figured i'd ask for help to avoid wasting money eheh.

Not long ago i started changing parts of my computer , started with a new graphic card Ati HD 5870 1GB , got the power supply for it a cooler master GX 650 W.
Then i changed my case to a cheap Elite master 333. Since i didn't have much money i figured that it would help me go from poor graphics to mid range graphics with an embarrassing processor..E5300 @2.66ghz.

Now i've decided to change my processor which comes with a new motherboard and new RAMs since i have DDR2 ones....

Here comes to real newb questions sorry if i'm gonna annoy people with the stupidity of my questions..

As i mainly use my computer for playing games I wanted to know what processor i should get to have maximum potential out of my HD 5870.

Also what motherboard should i be getting with it ( one which allows many expansions..i mean adding HDDs..aditional graphic cards etc) , since i never understood the real difference between motherboards except for the slots and plugs etc.. remember my case is a cooler master 333, and while we are at it , the RAMs suiting my gaming needs.
And for some additional information in my case if i go for lets say an i5 2500k proc instead of an i7 2600k , will i have better results in my games ? and how significant will it be.

So finally if i have to choose a processor should i go for the expensive i5 or i7 for better results or cheaper ones could give my the same results for what i use it for =>Playing games
Edited by Amanos - 8/5/11 at 7:09am
post #2 of 16
First thing to ask is price range. So what's your price range for the ram and motherboard because you already chose the i5.

Ps. The i7 has 2 mb more L3 cache. I think that means possible higher overclocks but for gaming it doesn't make any difference past a certain point which the i5 can reach easily, remember that the i5 can reach 4.5ghz on air and that air cooling is holding back the speeds not the chip.
    
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For all of them i could give around 400 euros D:
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i5-2500k should be sufficient its still a true quadcore just cant hyperthread. most games out right now only utilize 2 cores if you really want to take a cheap route an i3 should be fine for now if you dont want to spend so much

as far as motherboards what do you plan on adding to your system? like do you want to crossfire your 5870 in the future? if so you'll want a motherboard that supports 2 x16 slots to maximize your crossfire
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yeah i wanted to be sure if in the future i want to get a better performance in game i could just add stuff to my mother board instead of having to change the whole trifecta...also avoiding to have problems with a component i won't be able to plug to my computer that's why i'm looking for one with the most common plugs used by gamers.

so for the RAMs what are your thoughts , sorry if i'm being annoying but could i get some of the major benefits i would lack if i took an i3 over an i5 ?
Edited by Amanos - 8/5/11 at 8:02am
post #6 of 16
The i5 2500k, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Very good motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157263

Budget motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138317

Good memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138317

My memory (super amazing) http://www.Newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-459

And im sorry it's in dollars. I left you some choices. At the moment 400 euros apx = 567. So yah... But i would choose the asrock board and the sniper memory. But that would go over.. All motherboards preform within 5% of each other. So you pick a motherboard on what features you need. So with one graphics card pick the biostar motherboard. Also the asrock motherboard has the z68 chipset which allows ssd caching. Google or youtube that if you don't know. Also the biostar has p67 which has no inboard graphics so you do need a graphics card for it. The only difference between the two ram dimms is the timings. The sniper sets timings are tighter so it will be faster but it might not necessarily have real world performance, only artifical tests may show a difference.

Ps. You might want to choose the viper ram, the biostar board, and save up for an ssd. Not for ssd caching but for a boot and os drive. Speed up your system alot!

Pps. Please post any questions. I will attempt to answer them without a wall of text.. Sorry about that by the way.
    
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post #7 of 16
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the good memory link and budget motherboard are the same ^^
so i might take the cheaper motherboard and viper to get an SSD which if i understood correctly speeds operations like file copying starts up etc
post #8 of 16
Oops. I fix.Motherboard http://www.Newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-138-317

Ram http://www.Newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-220-561

And yes. An ssd has alot faster read and write speeds. So boot ups, opening a program/game, anything that uses storage space is faster. Personally 120gb is the sweet spot for the market. Mushkin has put out their chronos line. Their cheapest is 209 (from memory don't quote me) and don't balk at the price ssd's are quite expensive. But they are definitely worth it.
    
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post #9 of 16
depends on what you want to do save $$ or dish out extra $$ for a better system

for RAM i recommend corsair vengeance 2x4gb is around $50 to $65 the above link is great ram tighter timings but around double the price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345

SSD, depends on what you use it for, i use it as a boot drive so i install windows 7 on it, it'll increase boot time and shut down time as well as yes the operations of whatever you have on the SSD will be quicker, so say you have a game installed on it, it will boot the game a lot faster than a regular hdd as well as load it a lot faster less wait time in between cut scenes
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post #10 of 16
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so i looked the video on youtube talking about the caching technology , if i take an ssd with a motherboard which has that technology it would be as if a game i play alot which is installed on my HDD was installed on my SSD
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