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Parts List:

Note that the only component I need to buy is the CPU and the RAM.

EVGA P67/Z68
EVGA GT 520 (the SB mobos do not support onboard video)
Intel i3-2100T
2x4 GB DDR3 RAM
Antec Earthwatts 500W
Antec 900 (swapped fans, no LEDs.. maybe Fractal Design Mini?)

500GB WD Blue (Windows Server 2008 R2 drive)
4x Samsung F4


1. How does RAID5 run on Windows Server 2008 R2? Should I use RAID 1+0 instead? I have no RAID card, this will be using the onboard SATA. My goal is a storage/backup server. Speed is no concern here. Since I will be using Windows RAID, will migrating the RAID array be easy if I need to in the future? I won't have any place to actually store "8 TB" worth of data.

Are there any concerns with using Samsung F4s (green drive)? Will the power saving functions cause issues for RAID?


2. Are there specific file sharing permissions? This will be used on a university campus where the local network is the whole school. How do I ensure everything is kept local to my desktop only? Can I keep it local to my switch only?

3. How well will Bluray rips (.mkv) or Bluray discs run/play on the i3 and GT 520?


If anyone knows where I can read about getting started using Server 2008, please do share.


Edit: Note I don't want any replies about overkill for a server, etc. I have the parts and I only want a low powered i3 CPU (35W).
Edited by Blizzie - 8/5/11 at 12:56pm
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Hmm..

3. You can rip using the GPU, I think handbrake has an options for it. It will be much better then the i3. Even some old yorkfield quads are faster. On my dual core i5(macbook pro '11) it takes about 1hr for regular dvd rip. 520 should be able to do much better. As for playback you should be able to flawlessly.

2. I'm not 100% sure. There will be sure but I haven't used server 08

1. I don't raid.

/troll
Edited by BabyBalla - 8/5/11 at 12:57pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blizzie View Post
Parts List:

Note that the only component I need to buy is the CPU and the RAM.

EVGA P67/Z68
EVGA GT 520 (the SB mobos do not support onboard video)
Intel i3-2100T
2x4 GB DDR3 RAM
Antec Earthwatts 500W
Antec 900 (swapped fans, no LEDs.. maybe Fractal Design Mini?)

500GB WD Blue (Windows Server 2008 R2 drive)
4x Samsung F4


1. How does RAID5 run on Windows Server 2008 R2? Should I use RAID 1+0 instead? I have no RAID card, this will be using the onboard SATA. My goal is a storage/backup server. Speed is no concern here. Since I will be using Windows RAID, will migrating the RAID array be easy if I need to in the future? I won't have any place to actually store "8 TB" worth of data.

Are there any concerns with using Samsung F4s (green drive)? Will the power saving functions cause issues for RAID?

2. Are there specific file sharing permissions? This will be used on a university campus where the local network is the whole school. How do I ensure everything is kept local to my desktop only? Can I keep it local to my switch only?

3. How well will Bluray rips (.mkv) or Bluray discs run on the i3 and GT 520?


If anyone knows where I can read about getting started using Server 2008, please do share.


Edit: Note I don't want any replies about overkill for a server, etc. I have the parts and I only want a low powered i3 CPU (35W).
1) It's host-based RAID provided by your storage controller. It is not Windows/software RAID so the OS does not even really know there is an array. You will be able to migrate only to future Intel motherboards.

2) All users may be able to see it... but a login is required.

3) Are you watching the video locally on the machine or streaming to another machine? Either case, it will be fine.


OT: You really should tell the EVGA BC2 guys to stop Carl G spamming... it kills the servers.
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1) It's host-based RAID provided by your storage controller. It is not Windows/software RAID so the OS does not even really know there is an array. You will be able to migrate only to future Intel motherboards.

2) All users may be able to see it... but a login is required.

3) Are you watching the video locally on the machine or streaming to another machine? Either case, it will be fine.


OT: You really should tell the EVGA BC2 guys to stop Carl G spamming... it kills the servers.

1. Is there a feature built into Windows Server for migration?

2. Can I use a crossover cable from LAN port to LAN port, so it is directly connected?

3. Both. I just want it smooth. Looking for the lowest power consumption GPU which can do smooth playback.
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Originally Posted by Blizzie View Post
1. Is there a feature built into Windows Server for migration?

2. Can I use a crossover cable from LAN port to LAN port, so it is directly connected?

3. Both. I just want it smooth. Looking for the lowest power consumption GPU which can do smooth playback.
1) No.
2) Yes.
3) It's fine.
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1) No.
2) Yes.
3) It's fine.
Thanks.

I just need to figure out what RAID to see and how well F4s hold up in RAID.


OT: They have too much fun with CG........
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Originally Posted by Blizzie View Post
1. Is there a feature built into Windows Server for migration?

2. Can I use a crossover cable from LAN port to LAN port, so it is directly connected?

3. Both. I just want it smooth. Looking for the lowest power consumption GPU which can do smooth playback.
1. No, the mobo RAID is created by the controller like Duckie said. Windows just sees a big old disc, so all it will try to do is copy/clone the data, not the RAID array itself.

2. How many computers do you intend to connect to this server? If just your main PC and if it has two ports, yes you can just connect it. Otherwise you can get a router and create a LAN separate from the whole campus. Check with your campus though, I know some schools don't like this.

3. It will work, a radeon 5450 or 6450 is generally what i recommend for HTPC video playback but the GT520 will work as well. GPU won't matter when streaming to other PC.


I've been using the Samsung F4s in a RAID5, works fine. Hitachi 5k3000 also work.
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Thanks.

I just need to figure out what RAID to see and how well F4s hold up in RAID.


OT: They have too much fun with CG........

RAID5 is fine.


I kicked their butts.... but the CG spamming was annoying and people left the server.
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1. No, the mobo RAID is created by the controller like Duckie said. Windows just sees a big old disc, so all it will try to do is copy/clone the data, not the RAID array itself.

2. How many computers do you intend to connect to this server? If just your main PC and if it has two ports, yes you can just connect it. Otherwise you can get a router and create a LAN separate from the whole campus. Check with your campus though, I know some schools don't like this.

3. It will work, a radeon 5450 or 6450 is generally what i recommend for HTPC video playback but the GT520 will work as well. GPU won't matter when streaming to other PC.


I've been using the Samsung F4s in a RAID5, works fine. Hitachi 5k3000 also work.

For school, just one. At home I cannot it to my network cause I know it's my own.

Do you have the F4s always spinning or do you enable power saving so they spin down when idle?

Thanks.


@Duckie: CG spam back!!


Edit: Should I enable RAID in UEFI and configure it there or do it in Windows? I hear performance is better if done out of Windows. Are there any good and cheap hardware RAID cards that work with the SB platform? (So I can migrate easy)
Edited by Blizzie - 8/5/11 at 1:34pm
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For school, just one. At home I cannot it to my network cause I know it's my own.

Do you have the F4s always spinning or do you enable power saving so they spin down when idle?

Thanks.


@Duckie: CG spam back!!


Edit: Should I enable RAID in UEFI and configure it there or do it in Windows? I hear performance is better if done out of Windows. Are there any good and cheap hardware RAID cards that work with the SB platform? (So I can migrate easy)
I have the F4s always spinning, same with my other array with Hitachi 5k3000. I wouldn't enable power saving, if they spin down your mobo controller may think the drive 'disconnected' and drop it from the array. I haven't had any issues with the drives, they're quiet, really cool in comparison to WD blacks(6-8c degree difference) even though they're spaced closer too.

If you RAID in UEFI, this will be your mobo's FAKE RAID(it's not a true hardware RAID). If you do the RAID in windows, you'll be using software RAID. Performance will depend on your discs, controller and for Windows CPU/RAM will matter I think, but either method will work and shouldn't be a huge deal for serving files to one PC. I have a drive not in the RAID and performance read off that is still in 65-80MB/s range which is fast enough.
To migrate from the mobo RAID : you'll need the same controller/compatible controller on next mobo.
To migrate Windows RAID : Windows should be able to recognize the drives set in software raid.

True hardware RAID cards are not cheap unfortunately, you'll be spending at least $300. FakeRAID cards are cheaper but they use a combination of hardware/software to do RAID so it's not the same.
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