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If you can afford the 6870, then get it.

^ this.

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Thread reopened, now lets keep the bickering and mis informed posts out of here please.

If you have nothing constructive to say about the debate between 6850 / 6870, then don't post (or offer other alternatives in the same price range).
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http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/364...ked/index.html

This card ^^

*Deleted link for fear of fake predatory website*
~£100 and gives you performance overclocked that will match a stock 6870.

Be sure to get the "vanilla" version, the factory overclocked one is the worse card (lower quality VRM - you cannot adjust voltage so overclock is seriously limited)

Great card, and two will run off your PSU in crossfire no problem. Crossfire 6850's overclocked will beat SLI 460's overclocked in most situations, and will outperform a 5970 convincingly.

With one, I can run 95% of games @ 1080p maxed (excluding AA but AF included) and am happy with the performance. For the other 5% its only adjusting a couple of settings slightly lower. For 90% of all games, you can run them maxed out WITH AA perfectly.

/End thread.
Reposted for importance. I honestly feel like the difference between the 6850 and 6870 is not worth the money involved, and will translate to very little, if any real-world differences when both are overclocked. The overclocking potential, when compared with their stock clocks, is MUCH higher in a 6850 than a 6870.

Typical results for both cards come around the 1000-1050/1150-1250 mark with voltage added, but the 6850 starts at 775/1000 and the 6870 at 900/1050. I feel you get more bang for your buck with the 6850.

Again, that you have a 650watt PSU means that crossfiring 6850's will be safer than 6870's, in the long run this could be of importance, and as we've shown in earlier posts, the "detriment" of x16/x4 crossfire is minimal at best, especially on mid-range cards like the 6850.

Finally, I posted a link to a UK based seller (as the OP lives in the UK) for the listed and reviewed Gigabyte 6850 with dual-force fans and voltage-overclock ability for LESS than £100. That's a BARGAIN. I can confirm that the results found by the reviewers (posted above - seriously check out the review, amazing performance) were similar to those of my experience, and understand that you should comfortably expect to be able to hit 1000mhz on the core with a comfortable voltage increase.

Conclusion - this is probably the best value card for you, unless you manage to find a 6870 with a non-reference cooler for only a slight price premium.
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He already said that he found a Sapphire 6870 for $142 (UK currency).

And his 650w PSU is overkill for 6870 crossfire. Those are only what, 150w cards?
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6850 is around 8-10 % slower than a 6870.. both are plenty fast IMO. 2 6850s are about equal to a gtx580..which is a TON of power at 1080p. Can't imagine wanting more than that[for the time being]. if you have the budget for a 6870, go for it. If not.. don't. simple as that!


Sources: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/305?vs=302

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/301?vs=302

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/291?vs=290
    
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
He already said that he found a Sapphire 6870 for $142 (UK currency).

And his 650w PSU is overkill for 6870 crossfire. Those are only what, 150w cards?
That 6870 is after taxes still more than 30% more expensive than the 6850 I linked which overclocks to BEAT a stock 6870 (check out the review I posted), which does not have much overclock headroom. I still question the value of such a purchase.

And is the PSU REALLY overkill with crossfire, overclocked cards plus an overclocked CPU, HDD's, fans, peripherals etc etc? Legitimate question. I personally got a 750watt PSU knowing I would be crossfiring mid-range cards to be safe.

XPreston - in the reviews of overclocked cards (6850/6870) and both have high-range overclocks on them, I'm seeing a smaller percentage difference in performance. Check out my link to the Tweaktown review, for that specific card is an exceptionally strong performer, and is the card I linked that is under £100 (british pounds). The suggestion of a 6870 for £142 (pounds) is astonishingly expensive in comparison, and totally not worth it in my opinion.

UK£100 = US$163
UK£142 = US$232

There's no competition in my mind when comparing the results of the overclocked cards on Tweaktown. Purchasing the 6870 seems like a waste of a significant amount of money for minimal performance.

Let's be crystal clear - we are talking about, all things overclocked equally, a performance difference that seems to MAX at about 7% in any game, more often the difference is closer to 4% difference in performance.

Anybody stating the the 6870 will "last longer" is talking complete rhetorical conjecture. Just saying ... it won't make a blind bit of real world gameplay difference, and we all know this to be true if looking at the statistics objectively.

Real world difference @ 1080p between overclocked 6850 (1050/1175) and overclocked 6870 (1035/1150):

ResidentEvil5 - 127 vs 133 fps
HAWX - 101 vs 105 fps
Mafia 2 - 74 vs 79 fps
Lost Planet 2 - 40 vs 43 fps
AvP - 48 vs 52 fps
SFIV - 232 vs 239 fps
FarCry2 - 112 vs 125 fps (evens out considerably with AA)
BatmanAA - 159 vs 156 fps

The results speak for themselves - I can't imagine how one could argue that spending a 30-50% price premium validates the difference in results above, which are all maxed at the OP's resolution.

In my opinion: End Thread/
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to OP:

Yes.

I got mine for 160 bucks after rebates... and its freaking insane!!!
    
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6870's only use 150w. Let's say 175w at most under overclocked conditions. Crossfire will never have 100% scaling, but for the sake of argument, let's pretend it is. That's at most, 350w worth of GPU power. A 550w PSU would be enough, assuming your CPU is around 180w under overclocked conditions (which 99% of CPU's probably won't break 180w anyway).

So yeah, a 650w PSU is overkill in this situation, assuming my figures are correct, and I distinctly remember the 6870's drawing around 150w, and the 6850's were around 125w.
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Just get the best single GPU card you can get right now. Simple as that. which in your case should be the 6870, but I would really recommend the 6950, it's a bit more but you can great price/perf tho.
    
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That 6870 is after taxes still more than 30% more expensive than the 6850 I linked which overclocks to BEAT a stock 6870 (check out the review I posted), which does not have much overclock headroom. I still question the value of such a purchase.

And is the PSU REALLY overkill with crossfire, overclocked cards plus an overclocked CPU, HDD's, fans, peripherals etc etc? Legitimate question. I personally got a 750watt PSU knowing I would be crossfiring mid-range cards to be safe.

XPreston - in the reviews of overclocked cards (6850/6870) and both have high-range overclocks on them, I'm seeing a smaller percentage difference in performance. Check out my link to the Tweaktown review, for that specific card is an exceptionally strong performer, and is the card I linked that is under £100 (british pounds). The suggestion of a 6870 for £142 (pounds) is astonishingly expensive in comparison, and totally not worth it in my opinion.

UK£100 = US$163
UK£142 = US$232

There's no competition in my mind when comparing the results of the overclocked cards on Tweaktown. Purchasing the 6870 seems like a waste of a significant amount of money for minimal performance.

Let's be crystal clear - we are talking about, all things overclocked equally, a performance difference that seems to MAX at about 7% in any game, more often the difference is closer to 4% difference in performance.

Anybody stating the the 6870 will "last longer" is talking complete rhetorical conjecture. Just saying ... it won't make a blind bit of real world gameplay difference, and we all know this to be true if looking at the statistics objectively.

Real world difference @ 1080p between overclocked 6850 (1050/1175) and overclocked 6870 (1035/1050):

ResidentEvil5 - 127 vs 133 fps
HAWX - 101 vs 105 fps
Mafia 2 - 74 vs 79 fps
Lost Planet 2 - 40 vs 43 fps
AvP - 48 vs 52 fps
SFIV - 232 vs 239 fps
FarCry2 - 112 vs 125 fps (evens out considerably with AA)
BatmanAA - 159 vs 156 fps

The results speak for themselves - I can't imagine how one could argue that spending a 30-50% price premium validates the difference in results above, which are all maxed at the OP's resolution.

In my opinion: End Thread/

Giving an enough difference in price, you do have a point.

However, from the performance figures you quoted, there is a problem with the overclocked values: you state those results were obtained with the following overclocks:

Quote:
Real world difference @ 1080p between overclocked 6850 (1050/1175) and overclocked 6870 (1035/1050)
If you read some reviews that test these cards' overclock potential, you'll aknowledge that at a certain overclock to the cores, they are bottlenecked by the memory bandwidth.

So, it's a little surprising to see the HD6870 in your comparison running at the stock memory bandwidth of 4.2 Ghz (1050), while the HD6850 is running at a much higher 4.7 Ghz (1175Mhz). That is not a fair comparison, and can make a big difference in the results you posted.


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6870's only use 150w. Let's say 175w at most under overclocked conditions. Crossfire will never have 100% scaling, but for the sake of argument, let's pretend it is. That's at most, 350w worth of GPU power. A 550w PSU would be enough, assuming your CPU is around 180w under overclocked conditions (which 99% of CPU's probably won't break 180w anyway).

So yeah, a 650w PSU is overkill in this situation, assuming my figures are correct, and I distinctly remember the 6870's drawing around 150w, and the 6850's were around 125w.

Yes, the HD6870 has a 151w TDP, and the HD6850 has a 127w TDP.

Just as an example, I have a GTX460 1GB (160w TDP) running on a Corsair HX450w in the Media Center (both used to be in my main rig with the Q9550 running at 3.2 Ghz), so there is no reason an additional 200w of power (HX650w - the PSU the OP has) would not handle a second card.
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