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I don't really want to order from this pc-titan website, I'd rather stick to Amazon, Ebuyer or Overclockers.co.uk

Seeing as the Gigabyte 6850 on pc-titan does not include VAT or postage, then it will cost about £120 in the end anyway.

I will hopefully get the Sapphire 6870 from, however the prices of these things can change rather quickly (especially on Amazon), and if the price goes any higher (£142), I'll be getting a 6850.

These are the 2 cards I'm looking at:

http://www.ebuyer.com/264823-his-hd-...phics-h685f1gd

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-115-MS

I've only heard good things about Cyclone series cards, so I imagine that's the better of the two.

Thoughts on the 6850's?

Thanks a lot for the input everyone
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I don't really want to order from this pc-titan website, I'd rather stick to Amazon, Ebuyer or Overclockers.co.uk

Seeing as the Gigabyte 6850 on pc-titan does not include VAT or postage, then it will cost about £120 in the end anyway.

I will hopefully get the Sapphire 6870 from, however the prices of these things can change rather quickly (especially on Amazon), and if the price goes any higher (£142), I'll be getting a 6850.

These are the 2 cards I'm looking at:

http://www.ebuyer.com/264823-his-hd-...phics-h685f1gd

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-115-MS

I've only heard good things about Cyclone series cards, so I imagine that's the better of the two.

Thoughts on the 6850's?

Thanks a lot for the input everyone
Both pretty much the same.... u want to oc than get cyclone ver.
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Good choice on the PC Titan website, I did more research and am under no circumstances buying from them myself. Go with a 6870 from a trusted retailer if you can afford it, otherwise a 6850 will do you fine (get the MSI cyclone of the two - the other is a reference model which will be obnoxiously loud), and will crossfire well on your system too.
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It's not really worth paying 22 GBP more for the 6870 because, again, there will be no situation where you find a game unplayable with the 6850s but they're suddenly playable with the 6870.

If you're getting 25 fps with the 6850s, you'd get 29 fps with the 6870, etc. This difference decreases when overclocked.

Again, both are going to hit the tank with tons of eyecandy on in games that hit the VRAM wall. Doesn't happen as much with current games (Oblivion with texture packs, Stalker with mods, BC2 with 32x, F1, AvP, games with SSAA, etc.). Despite what has been said otherwise, it does happen in today's games and will happen more so in newer games which inevitably will have higher textures with more AA and anisotrophy.

Don't get this impression the 6870 is significantly better than the 6850 in CFX.
    
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Again, its NOT A VRAM WALL!!! You're hitting the limitations of the card itself (shaders and core speed), not RAM.

The 6870 is the stronger card, PERIOD. If he can afford the 6870 then that's the card he should go with. Why is that so hard to understand?

You're right though, the 6850 does overclock to meet and beat the 6870. But guess what? The 6870 overclocks just as far!!!!
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If you have the money go for 6870 its about 10-15 percent faster then 6850,
If your on budget limit get amd 6850 also this gpu consume very low amount of power compare to any other card with similar performance range.
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You really need to accept the fact in certain situations you're going to be over 1GB of VRAM at 1080p.

Does it happen often? No. There are some rare instances and it's certainly not the only reason the fps will be low, the GPU is also taxed as we know. But there are definitely times when the games would be playable if there was another 256mb VRAM that the GPU can power through? It this not at all possible?

The same cannot be said for the GPU cores. Let's give the 6870s a generous 12% advantage. If the 6850s are getting 20 fps the 6870s are getting 22. Whoopy doo. It scales linearly like this.

In general, the 6850s overclock better than the 6870s.

Once again, the 6850s are the better buy.
    
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You really need to accept the fact in certain situations you're going to be over 1GB of VRAM at 1080p.

Does it happen often? No. There are some rare instances and it's certainly not the only reason the fps will be low, the GPU is also taxed as we know. But there are definitely times when the games would be playable if there was another 256mb VRAM that the GPU can power through? It this not at all possible?

The same cannot be said for the GPU cores. Let's give the 6870s a generous 12% advantage. If the 6850s are getting 20 fps the 6870s are getting 22. Whoopy doo. It scales linearly like this.

In general, the 6850s overclock better than the 6870s.

Once again, the 6850s are the better buy.
Yes, you do on VERY RARE occasions hit a VRAM wall, you are correct there. That doesn't mean anything though, considering both cards being discussed are 1GB cards.

And the 6850's and 6870's in general, hit about the same wall on clock speeds. So no matter what, the 6870 is going to pull out ahead. The 6850's do in fact hit a higher percentage of an overclock, but that's because they're clocked quite far down to begin with.

Clock for clock, the 6870 is faster, period. Considering they both hit around the same wall for clock speeds, the 6870 is always going to be the faster option. Not to mention the fact it has more shaders, and faster memory.

You are correct, the 6850 is a good buy. It's roughly the same as a GTX460 1GB. A 6870 is still better though, as it compares closer to a GTX470.
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I apologize for my absence in this thread, I've been away for most of the last week

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The 6870 is the stronger card, PERIOD. If he can afford the 6870 then that's the card he should go with.
I will be going with the 6870, if I can afford it at the time, as long as I'm not hit with any unforeseen costs, that's the card I'll be going with.

If not, I'll be getting the MSI Cyclone 6850, as it is clocked a fair bit higher than the HIS and does not use the stock cooler.

As I say, I shall hopefully be getting the Sapphire 6870

Thanks for all your help everyone (:
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Sorry to revive my old thread, but there's been a change of plan (kind of)

I've recently come into some extra money by selling all of my LotR Warhammer (Don't worry, I've kept my 40K )

So my new question is, WHICH 6870?

I'm thinking of either of these 3:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-m...ssors-dvi-hdmi

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-s...i-hdmi-display

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-s...s-dvi-hdmi-mdp

So basically:
MSI Twin Frozr III
Standard Sapphire
Sapphire Vapor-X

All 1GB.

Thanks
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