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One thing I notice that is stressed so very much with many of the DVD tutorial training aids is you must be an absolute master of the fundementals. You must know the OSI and TCP/IP models front and back,subnetting should not raise your pulse 1 beat per minute and all the DHCP,DNS,Natting and like commands or better said systems need to be second nature.I want a lab also but until I master the fundementals I am not following the proper course.There is just so much to master before it is home lab time.Get either the Train Signal or CBT Nuggets CCNA prep course and see if the instructor ever looses you.
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When i was took the cisco test back in the day. i used dynamips to emulate the cisco IOS'.

I would say this is the smarter way instead of actually buying the hardware.
Well, its a pretty smart emulator, but nothing beats learning on the actual hardware. There are quite a few valuable things you learn on the actual hardware that you don't learn from simulators.
Its just like there are things you can't learn from text books that you learn from real-world experience.
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One thing I notice that is stressed so very much with many of the DVD tutorial training aids is you must be an absolute master of the fundementals. You must know the OSI and TCP/IP models front and back,subnetting should not raise your pulse 1 beat per minute and all the DHCP,DNS,Natting and like commands or better said systems need to be second nature.I want a lab also but until I master the fundementals I am not following the proper course.There is just so much to master before it is home lab time.Get either the Train Signal or CBT Nuggets CCNA prep course and see if the instructor ever looses you.
I've used both CBT and Train Signal.
And for work, yeah, subnetting OSI/TCP/IP are just your second nature. Its how I/you/everyone does networking.
Honestly though, I have always found it better to learn and study on your own than have an instructor teach you networking. You can't sit and back track information you need to go over again with a real instructor and they end up racing past some of the things you need to focus on. I learned to subnet from 6 different places and because I have an understanding of it all the way down to a bare-metal concept, I can use any method to subnet. I even have my own method as well.

Mastering your fundamentals is true as well. For when you go take the test, even though you have full access to the help of an IOS, you seriously need to be fluent in IOS because there will be a time limit. Otherwise you'll have my problem first time round, I took too long on 2 of the sims and thats what got me.
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having used packet trace for the last 6 weeks its not a bad program to start off with. I just looked into the gns3. its very plain however i like how you can load a real ios it doesn't seam as newb friendly tho. Packet trace is a nice program. its buggy as all hell. if you use it. save and save often and save many. when i was doing my projects with it i would keep at least 2 - 3 saves you never know when it will tweak out on you
    
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Ok lots to to reply to and I can't quote everything I'm afraid but thanks for all the quick replies. I had a feeling by firing questions into this forum I'd get some good answers.
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Resources I have found great for CCNA and up:
Jeremy Ciora's CBT Nuggets videos
Train Signal with Chris Bryant
Todd Lammle's Sybex CCNA Guides
The Basic Cisco Press ICND 1 and 2 books.
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Thanks for your replies.
I've been following Jeremy Ciora's CBT Nuggets as my primary resource so far, they've been great and I extracted the audio from them too so I could listen to them while exercising. I've been over the theory multiple times however he's reached the point where he starts talking about the actual Cisco hardware, hence why I made this thread.
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some good info here, now that im down with my bachelors im considering these as well and possibly some of the microsoft server certs (i forgot the exact name of them)
You and me both mate.

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For CCNA you can really get away with a single 2600xm router and 2 x 2950(g or t) switches. And use GNS3/Dyna for buliding, configuring and leaning/practicing more complex designs. I've pretty much put everything in my closet and run a pure Dynamips server with several 3550's. Pretty much no one buys labs anymore for CCNP/CCIE studies.

If you want to spend $ and have versatility for future studies go strait to 2/3 x 3550's swithces & 3+ x 3725 routers.
How do students practise out of interest once they start hitting the higher levels? Is it all done on a software basis? I only ask because I've seen some labs online so big and expensive that they caused my heart to skip a beat.
I have money, but obviously not unlimited money. I need to eat too. My fiancée decided being unfaithful would be a wonderful idea so now I'm left sitting on a rather tidy sum of rainy-day cash.
I've been learning the theory up until now but I'm quite eager to learn on the hardware itself so I'm somewhat more clued up, however I've noticed the prices of labs and equipment can raise very quickly and none of the hardware available on ebay seems to be current stuff. But then after checking out the prices of current equipment, I can understand why.

Ideally I'd like to get to grips with the hardware and the software simultaneously to get the best all-round understanding as I still have a long way to go, I just don't wish to become infamous for buying lots of overpriced, Chinese knock-off stuff that I don't need. (No offence to any Chinese dwellers here.)

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One thing I notice that is stressed so very much with many of the DVD tutorial training aids is you must be an absolute master of the fundementals. You must know the OSI and TCP/IP models front and back,subnetting should not raise your pulse 1 beat per minute and all the DHCP,DNS,Natting and like commands or better said systems need to be second nature.I want a lab also but until I master the fundementals I am not following the proper course.There is just so much to master before it is home lab time.Get either the Train Signal or CBT Nuggets CCNA prep course and see if the instructor ever looses you.
I've been able to keep up and so far absolutely loads of blanks have been filled in so far with the fundamentals. It's almost like a light has switched on upstairs or that missing jigsaw piece has fallen into place.

I now have the GNS3 software and the packet sniffer and have pretty much the whole weekend to myself so I'm going to start learning how to use them. Depending on how I get on I would like to take myself further than CCNA which is why I was wondering about the lab. At the end of the day if it proves no use to me I can always just sell it again.

Thank you for all the fantastic replies so far, I've now got a much better idea of where I'm going.
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I have never had one minute of face to face instructor training in any course related to networking,I do think a mixture of doing it on your own and a bit of instructor time would be the best approach.
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My CCNP lab had the following...

4 x 3640 w/ NM-1E2W and NM-8A/S cards.
2 x 2620XM w/ WIC-1T
2 x 3550
2 x 2950
1 x 2511-RJ

I also have a few 2511s along with one 2520 for a frame relay switch.
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Thorn,how much of your equipment is currently in use (is it end of life gear or even past end of life?). How did you approach the sales personel,did you tell them you were setting up a CCNA lab or did you just call up and say "I want this,and this,and this? How certain were you that you were getting the expansion cards that you need,and other operational gear like power packs (or were you certain that you did not need any expansion cards?) I have a quide about setting up a CCNA lab (it gives 3 levels) but it is from 2008 and so much has changed since then,I question the value of involving myself with such old equipment but can't afford what is currently in use.

It seems that if you are qualified to order what you need for a CCNA lab you already know enough that you do not need a CCNA lab.
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Thorn,how much of your equipment is currently in use (is it end of life gear or even past end of life?). How did you approach the sales personel,did you tell them you were setting up a CCNA lab or did you just call up and say "I want this,and this,and this? How certain were you that you were getting the expansion cards that you need,and other operational gear like power packs (or were you certain that you did not need any expansion cards?) I have a quide about setting up a CCNA lab (it gives 3 levels) but it is from 2008 and so much has changed since then,I question the value of involving myself with such old equipment but can't afford what is currently in use.

It seems that if you are qualified to order what you need for a CCNA lab you already know enough that you do not need a CCNA lab.

its not the equipment that matters its the IOS that matters. for example the only real different between say a 2600 series router and a 3600 series router is the speed and maybe the ram. other then that you can still put the same kind of connectivity ports on it and you can still run the same IOS on it. I wouldnt worry to much about a product being end of life or not. you would be surpized at how many 2500 series routers are still used in production setups. just get what you can afford and play with the IOS
    
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I take it then your lab is made up of "obselete" equipment? I do understand that it is the IOS that is the "leader of the pack" so to speak but I do not want to pay top dollar for obselete equipment that has limited practical use.I want to get as close as possible to current equipment and I want to be able to find every accessory and expansion card that is asked for. Seeking service on equipment that is still current but is on the list to be retired can be such a challenge.My local retailer priced me 9500.00 for a 5505 ASA a 871 router and a 12 port switch and a CISCO VoIP phone.These retailers will tear the wallet right out of your pants if you give them half a chance.It is so very hard to find a retailer that will work with someone at the student level but I am finding more students wishing to put together a home lab using CISCO equipment because they do not get any hands on training from their community college program. I am fully involved with the CISCO program at my school but I feel CISCO is making a mistake by making it so hard for students to get hands on training with CISCO equipment. I am right at 20 credits from graduation as a Network Administrator and I have never even touched a CISCO router or switch,of any type, and no help setting up my own lab.
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