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If you plan on overclocking that GTX570 I HIGHLY suggest going for a non-reference model as the reference models have been known to have common VRM issues when overclocked.

If you do plan on overclocking, go for an Asus DirectCU II or an MSI Twin Frozr II. I'd rather spend a few extra dollars than to have my card explode while gaming...
    
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The SSD and CPU are still up in the air, as are the case and cooling unit (but I feel pretty good about those based on various comments/reviews around the net). Which ones I select will be determined by how good the sales are.

I bolded the MB because the more I read, the less it seems there is a clear distinction between the various P67 and Z68 MBs. I've read a lot of peopled that prefer MSI or Gigabyte to ASUS which has me wondering if I should just go with the cheapest version of whatever board I decide on. Anyone have any additional feedback they could give on the MB (or any of the components but lets leave the i5 vs. i7 debate out of it for now )?

Thanks.
Get the i7-2600k fixation from your mind. Not going to "leave it out for now." There is no need to spend an extra $100 for bragging rights so you can tell people you have an i7 and not an i5. The only people that need i7s are professionals that video encode heavily every day such as youtube producers and such. Stick with the i5-2500k and do not look back.

Also, are you just trying to overclock for the hell of it or do you think it is mandatory? You won't notice the difference between stock 3.3ghz and 4.5ghz oc speeds while gaming.

For SSD, go with the Crucial M4 128gb. They are more reliable from just looking at the reviews of the various SSD manufacturers. Mine boots to windows in under 20 seconds and loads everything instantaneously and I haven't had any issues with it thus far.

For the motherboard, you really could just go with whoever of the three is cheapest between MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte. A thing to mention though is that Asus mobos have EFI which is a graphical orientated bios compared to Gigabyte who still uses the good 'ol blue background white text bios. Also note that you can't control fan speeds from the Gigabyte bios, not sure about Asus.

For graphics, it depends on what games you are going to play and what resolution. I was on the fence between a 560 gtx ti and a 570 gtx. I went with the 560 gtx ti and I wasn't disappointed. I'm maxing out BC2 @1080p with smooth 60fps+. If BF3 taxes it too much though, I can easily pick up another in a little while (after kepler comes out) for sub $200 and get better performance than a single 580 gtx.

For GPU at the moment, as someone else mentioned, go for an Asus or Msi with DirectCUII or Twin Frozr II/III cooling. They are amazing coolers.
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Get the i7-2600k fixation from your mind. Not going to "leave it out for now." There is no need to spend an extra $100 for bragging rights so you can tell people you have an i7 and not an i5. The only people that need i7s are professionals that video encode heavily every day such as youtube producers and such. Stick with the i5-2500k and do not look back.

Also, are you just trying to overclock for the hell of it or do you think it is mandatory? You won't notice the difference between stock 3.3ghz and 4.5ghz oc speeds while gaming.

For SSD, go with the Crucial M4 128gb. They are more reliable from just looking at the reviews of the various SSD manufacturers. Mine boots to windows in under 20 seconds and loads everything instantaneously and I haven't had any issues with it thus far.

For the motherboard, you really could just go with whoever of the three is cheapest between MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte. A thing to mention though is that Asus mobos have EFI which is a graphical orientated bios compared to Gigabyte who still uses the good 'ol blue background white text bios. Also note that you can't control fan speeds from the Gigabyte bios, not sure about Asus.

For graphics, it depends on what games you are going to play and what resolution. I was on the fence between a 560 gtx ti and a 570 gtx. I went with the 560 gtx ti and I wasn't disappointed. I'm maxing out BC2 @1080p with smooth 60fps+. If BF3 taxes it too much though, I can easily pick up another in a little while (after kepler comes out) for sub $200 and get better performance than a single 580 gtx.

For GPU at the moment, as someone else mentioned, go for an Asus or Msi with DirectCUII or Twin Frozr II/III cooling. They are amazing coolers.
Was reading through this whole topic and was going to post pretty much exactly all of this, so I'm quoting it. My own new build is happening soon, and I've been doing a ton of research on current products.

-There is zero reason to spend $100 more for the 2600k for you needs. You will never notice a difference unless you suddenly change jobs. =)

-Overclocking won't serve much purpose or be noticeable, but because the 2500k is so easy to OC, I'd buy an aftermarket cooler and install it during assembly anyway. For air I'd say get whichever is cheapest out of the Xigmatek Gaia, Scythe Mugen Rev. B or Hyper 212+. Do note that from all reviews/comparisons I've read, the Scythe is quieter for very similar performance.

-The Crucial M4 is faster, and runs at Sata 6Gb. I'd go for that, and in 128Gb format. I know it's just for the OS and some games, but 64 really isn't a lot and will have to be managed more. 128 is price-point at the moment, all things considered.

-Can't go wrong with an Asus/MSI/Gigabyte board. All will have their share of DOA's, but not one brand more than the other. All will have similar specs for similar prices, though the Gigabytes are a little cheaper. They do, however, lack the graphical Asus Bios (which really shouldn't be a huge influence in the decision here as you really won't be spending all that much time in there anyway). My opinion... get what's cheapest of the 3 that has what you need, and looks the best to you =)

-For the GPU I'd lean towards spending a bit more and getting a 570. The MSI Twin Frozr II, or Twin Frozr III Power Edition.

-For the case I will agree that a full tower is awesome for the space, but reading through your needs and possible future aims, I don't see the need. I'd go for a good quality large mid tower. My own choices have been narrowed down to the following: Corsair 400R/500R, Fractal Arc Midi, CM 690 II. All sport great cable management, airflow, etc. Everything you need. Watch video reviews on them to determine which you prefer.

Cheers and have fun!
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Just read this article and thought of this thread. It relates to the 2500/2600 difference, and will be a worthy read to you if you're still undecided.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ce,3007-4.html
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Thanks for the link.

I guess my main holdup on completely dropping the idea of the i7 is I've read some games in the not so distant future may make use of hyperthreading. Plus I tend to serf the net and often listen to music while gaming so thought it may make a difference. It really comes down to price, I will most likely go with the i5 unless the prices fall considerably over the next 3-4 months.

On the MB, I'm having the most trouble deciding on this actually. I just can't tell the difference. To make it more difficult, each brand has 4-5 options so I'm looking at over a dozen MBs and can't decide which to buy! Haha

On the tower, I've thought about doubling the RAM down the road and possibly adding a second GPU. Do you still think a mid-tower is sufficient? I just want to make sure there is plenty of room for the cables and airflow.
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I've had a friend tell me the same, and so I had debated switching to the i7 as well. The bottom line for me is that I was needing to trim elsewhere in order to accommodate it into my build, and when I weighed the pros and cons of downgrading other components, it was simply more logical to save the $100 on the CPU and keep the other items as they were. I guess my advice is this: If you can add the $100 to the CPU while still getting a decent SSD and GPU, go for it. It definitely can't hurt, it just probably won't help much.

The MB was also a big sticking point for me, and I'm still not 100% on it. The bottom line is that my first real build a little over 2 years ago involved a Gigabyte MB that's been rock solid to me. Why change? I like the way they look (all black/gray), the feature list suits my needs perfectly, and it's $40 cheaper on average than the other 2 I was/am considering. If it ain't broke...

I do like the way the Asus UEFI Bios looks compared to the standard one on the Gigabyte board, but as I mentioned in my earlier post... you really don't spend enough time in there for it to be worth the extra $40, at least to me from my experience. YMMV. Bottom line here is to just go with what you feel the most comfortable with. It may arrive DOA no matter what brand you go with, it happens with any mass produced product.

As to the tower, the three I mentioned have ample room to support dual GPU's while maintaining great airflow. I think the cases that pull this off the best are the Silverstones with 90 degree inverted MB. The RV02 and FT02 mainly, so if you're saving $100 on the CPU you could get one of those =)
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Thanks Stasis for the info. None of this is set in stone until I purchase a component, it just seems those are some of the better components based on reviews/feedback from various sites.

I've heard pretty good things about the UEFI Bios as well and, as a first time builder, I feel like that might be the best way to go. I go back and forth on the MB almost every day though!

I will take a look at the cases. What I do with the case will determine what I do on cooling as well. The 212+ seems to be the consensus best buy but I've had a few people tell me they would go with someone more quiet (which I'm looking into). As I said above, nothing is set in stone until I purchase but hopefully prices start falling soon so I can get this together in plenty of time for SWTOR.
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I've been reading reviews and checking websites about the GTX 570 and was looking for some advice on upgrading the cooler.

Through my readings, I came across the ARCTIC Accelero S1 VGA Cooler but it doesn't appear to be compatible.

(1) Am I reading all of this correctly that the Accelero S1 Cooler is not compatible with the 570?

(2) If that is correct, does anyone know of a reasonably priced cooler that does a good job and isn't too loud that would be compatible?

I came across the ARCTIC Accelero XTREME Plus II but there aren't that many reviews, it seems a bit expensive, and a little bit like overkill. Amont other things, I'm concerned it may not fit.

Any advice you can give would be much appreciated. Thanks.

The build looks like this currently:

Case: Antec P183
MB: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO (still shopping)
CPU: i7-2600k or i5-2500k
GPU: EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 570
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 1600
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB HD
SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SSD
PSU: Antec High Current Gamer Series 750W
OS: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit

Bought a CM 212+ and three Scythe SLIPSTREAM PWM (two to replace the stock fans and one to replace the fan on the CM 212+).

Thanks again for whatever advice you can give.
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I've been reading reviews and checking websites about the GTX 570 and was looking for some advice on upgrading the cooler.

Through my readings, I came across the ARCTIC Accelero S1 VGA Cooler but it doesn't appear to be compatible.

(1) Am I reading all of this correctly that the Accelero S1 Cooler is not compatible with the 570?

(2) If that is correct, does anyone know of a reasonably priced cooler that does a good job and isn't too loud that would be compatible?

I came across the ARCTIC Accelero XTREME Plus II but there aren't that many reviews, it seems a bit expensive, and a little bit like overkill. Amont other things, I'm concerned it may not fit.

Any advice you can give would be much appreciated. Thanks.

The build looks like this currently:

Case: Antec P183
MB: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO (still shopping)
CPU: i7-2600k or i5-2500k
GPU: EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 570
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 1600
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB HD
SSD: Crucial M4 128GB SSD
PSU: Antec High Current Gamer Series 750W
OS: Windows 7 Pro 64-bit

Bought a CM 212+ and three Scythe SLIPSTREAM PWM (two to replace the stock fans and one to replace the fan on the CM 212+).

Thanks again for whatever advice you can give.

2500k is best for gaming and cheaper than 2600k
mobo asrock extreme4 gen3 is good from what i read on reviews
other than that the rest of the build looks awesome!
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I've had a friend tell me the same, and so I had debated switching to the i7 as well. The bottom line for me is that I was needing to trim elsewhere in order to accommodate it into my build, and when I weighed the pros and cons of downgrading other components, it was simply more logical to save the $100 on the CPU and keep the other items as they were. I guess my advice is this: If you can add the $100 to the CPU while still getting a decent SSD and GPU, go for it. It definitely can't hurt, it just probably won't help much.

The MB was also a big sticking point for me, and I'm still not 100% on it. The bottom line is that my first real build a little over 2 years ago involved a Gigabyte MB that's been rock solid to me. Why change? I like the way they look (all black/gray), the feature list suits my needs perfectly, and it's $40 cheaper on average than the other 2 I was/am considering. If it ain't broke...

I do like the way the Asus UEFI Bios looks compared to the standard one on the Gigabyte board, but as I mentioned in my earlier post... you really don't spend enough time in there for it to be worth the extra $40, at least to me from my experience. YMMV. Bottom line here is to just go with what you feel the most comfortable with. It may arrive DOA no matter what brand you go with, it happens with any mass produced product.

As to the tower, the three I mentioned have ample room to support dual GPU's while maintaining great airflow. I think the cases that pull this off the best are the Silverstones with 90 degree inverted MB. The RV02 and FT02 mainly, so if you're saving $100 on the CPU you could get one of those =)
I really want the RV02 or the FT02 love those 2 cases
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