Originally Posted by WorldExclusive
So if you think the game is worth and it's not on Steam, are you willing to buy it on Origin?
EA distributes games, DICE makes them.
I like DICE, and I will support DICE with BF3.
Just because BF3 is attached to EA, that shouldn't overshadow the game itself.
I admit the hypothesis of buying the game, I am also willing to support the developer of the game, DICE, but I'm not willing to support Origin as a store, so I'll just buy it at retail and use Origin as an activation service, just like I have to use GFWL with Dirt 2, Dirt 3, GTA IV, etc.
Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt
Also, for those who blame this issue on Steam, why was EA perfectly content to release The Sims 3's new DLC on Steam?
It's quite obvious to me. They recognize who will and won't jump through a few hoops to get their game. Sims 3 gamers are more casual and won't mess around with a 2nd DLC vendor/DD.
So they have an issue when it comes to DA 2, Crysis 2 and BF3 but not The Sims 3.....
This is the question I haven't seen quoted by those that are coming here criticizing us for criticizing EA's approach to the consumers.
For those interested in EA's contradictions, look here:
The Sims 3™ Town Life Stuff - DLC - Released on Steam on the 29th July 2011 !!!
on wanting to "provide" all the support gamers deserve directly. "Provide" also means sell
"additional content" in this case (what a nice play with words - the retailers sell games, whereas we "provide additional content" LOL It almost seems altruistic) :
any retailer can sell our games, but we take direct responsibility for providing patches, updates, additional content and other services to our players. You are connecting to our servers, and we want to establish on ongoing relationship with you, to continue to give you the best possible gaming experience. This works well for our partnership with Gamestop, Amazon and other online retailers.
Unfortunately, if we’re not allowed to manage this experience directly and establish a relationship with you, it disrupts our ability to provide the support you expect and deserve.
So, this is basically underestimating people's intelligence to understand what they really are doing. Unless they want to also tell people that they don't care about The Sims 3 players because they are letting Steam sell their DLC's, like I mentioned above.
So, how is this coherent ? It isn't. And this is what I don't like about EA.
They make this blog post saying they are going to be clear, but what they end up doing is thinking people are ignorant and won't understand. I'm sorry, but I like being treated with respect.
I'd rather have them say: "We're a business and we're in this for the money, while also providing something extra for our consumers. Therefore, when it makes financial sense, we will have exclusive games on Origin; when the target audience (Sims 3) doesn't like installing two services, or we think we won't manage to bring them over to Origin, we will keep selling DLC's through Steam as we deem more profitable.
Right now we have this big game (BF3) we hope is going to help starting to make us a big player in the digital distribution, so of course we can't have Steam sell it.
Oh, and we also reserve the right to not accept third party games (which we intend to sell, given our desire to become number one in digital publishing) that try to sell DLC's in-game, because that would bypass our profit making machine. In that respect, we are exactly like Steam, so we have no right to criticize them or subtly try to lure their customers to think that Steam is on the wrong here, because we will do exactly the same
Originally Posted by NuclearCrap
It is because EA constantly put the blame on Steam that I wish to find out what exactly happen. All I have seen is EA pointing the finger at Steam, but the inconsistencies with their story (updating BC2 through Steam is okay, but updating BF3 wouldn't) certainly raised tons of suspicion. It's only natural that customers would want to know the details from the side that's quick to point the finger. I would too ask the supermarket why a product has been dropped, if the manufacturer hasn't already made inconsistent accusations.
Given how EA has always managed to update their games on Steam and how they're suddenly saying that Steam is limiting their abilities to do what they used to do when there has been zero change in Steam's policy, why do you find it surprising that consumers start questioning EA?
Also, I never once said that they need to answer for it. It is their right to choose whether or not they want to provide clarification just as it's a consumer's right to choose whether or not to buy the product based on lack of available information.
Where did I say I'd boycott the developer? I said I'd boycott anti-competitive tactics that exist in the PC market, whereas the console market does not have this problem. EA and DICE will still get my money, but not via the method they originally hoped for. Besides, with their recent track record of releasing sequels that haven't quite lived up to the marketing, I honestly don't mind waiting to see user reviews and gameplay. I was already disappointed when Bad Company 2 failed to deliver the fun singleplayer experience that Bad Company 1 provided. Medal of Honor also didn't quite live up to the originals, and the same could be said about Dragon Age 2.
Originally Posted by gtarmanrob
i know its been said time and time again, but i think in the midst of all the discussion it keeps getting looked over.
you DO realise, to all of us buying the hard/retail copy, that we will still have to download and install Origin in order to register the game?
just be aware of this guys, seems like the people saying "i'll just buy the retail version coz i dont wanna support origin" arnt getting this.
its just like a GFWL title. even when implemented into Steam, and bought from a shop or direct from the Steam client, it still requires GFWL to be activated properly if you wanna go online or even save your game in the instance of GFWL.
RE5, Dead Rising 2, GTAIV to name a few.
its been confirmed - BATTLEFIELD 3 REQUIRES ORIGIN TO REGISTER AND PLAY THE GAME. theres also been word that Origin is not required to be active or even running in the background when playing, nor is BF3 needed to be launched through Origin. but you must still have Origin in order to register your copy.
No, it's not the same thing. Origin is a store, with which EA is hoping to profit more by bypassing the middlemen (retail stores). If you buy through retail and activate through Origin, you are not letting EA bypass the middlemen, and thus they don't get to save that money, so you're not giving EA the money they need to make the store profitable. You're still supporting the game developer, and in fact, you are also supporting EA, but you are not supporting Origin as a store. That sends a message.
Originally Posted by transhour
EA wants to do something with bf3 that valve's conditions for it being on steam do not allow...EA might be a big evil "Corporation" in your eyes that lies, threatens, steals, etc...but valve is a Corporation too that has basically told EA "our way or the highway", so EA did what any child would do in this situation, they took their ball and went home.
i would honestly hate to consider that innovation and creativity is stippled due to valve's terms for steam and i would hate to think EA is just doing this to promote a unpopular service, but i also think lots aren't seeing the whole picture as they are blinded by brand loyalty here. personally i think valve is the one in the wrong here, as they are trying to force developers from using ingame things (such as patches/updates/dlc/stores/etc) to continue to rely on their own service...lots here have accused EA of doing this only for greed...but only a handful have questioned valve's motive for it being that way.
Of course EA is just doing this to promote Origin. Why do you think The Sims 3 has DLC's for sale on Steam, like I mentioned above (with link) ? They are playing the game: they only keep certain games that interest them on Steam, and BF3, which is a big name title, out of it, with a completely incoherent policy, because they hope BF3 will do the same for them what Half-Life 2 did for Steam. And I repeat, I have nothing against that. I just don't like being lied to, especially by a company that doesn't have the best track record in it's relation with the consumer.
As for Valve being on the wrong here, read my answer in this post. EA will do EXACTLY the same when they start selling third party games on their store. Or do you think they will allow their store to be bypassed when it comes to receiving a share of the DLC's revenue ?Edited by tpi2007 - 8/7/11 at 2:07pm