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Originally Posted by Riou View Post
What if you like BF but hate what EA does?
Then it is stupid to not buy the game you want, simply because you dislike it's distributor.

You can still purchase it from: Impulse or Direct2Drive

Seriously.
Edited by SoulThief - 8/9/11 at 1:04pm
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What if you like BF but hate what EA does?
Well EA has been associated with BF since day 1 so I dont see why that should be a problem for you now. I dont like EA as a company and dont care for 90% of their games but I still like battlefield.

Likewise I dont like valve and I dont care for 100% of their games but I like steam
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Never was much of a fan of battlefield series, only bought bf2 coz it was on sale @ steam, but if bf3 is not available on steam, then there's no way I'm installing 2 apps that do the same stuff. What's next? all the publishers will release their own app so we'll be stuck with 10++ programs basically doing the same thing,no thanks.
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Originally Posted by WorldExclusive View Post
My disagreement doesn't lie where you want to buy from, that your choice. To summarize, if BF3 "was" on Steam, this thread would have a different title, and the comments within it would be about other reasons of why people aren't buying it. It doesn't matter what the reason is, PC gamers will find a reason to not buy or speak negatively about a game. The first AAA FPS that is PC first in years, still cannot rise above the skepticism of the PC community.
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Rep+ couldnt have put it better myself

PC gamers will always find a reason to whine about a game no matter if the moon was offered to them. Alot of favoritism too for certain companies despite if they churn out mediocre games or not. Anyone remember the Skyrim thread where when they first showed footage the OCN community was remarking how breathtaking it was, however when they said the game wouldnt be full utlizing dx10 and 11 the same people were commenting how ugly the game looked and how it was a console port.

These two comments are most amusing. You two are having a discussion with specific people on this thread, yet then go shifting away from discussing with these people and go on making these posts generalizing about the PC community and making general hypothesis that people would be saying bad things about another aspect of BF3 if it wasn't for this Origin thing. Way to go.

How do you guys know ? And even if there was criticism - what is the problem with that ? Aren't people allowed to express their opinions and want a better game with more options ? Especially a game that hasn't even been released yet ? How do you think developers make good games ? By looking at their belly button or by listening to feedback ?

How do you think Windows 7 turned out to be much better than Windows Vista in the user experience ? Microsoft made a huge effort to listen to the customers. And guess what ? It really does serve a purpose. Of course there are always unreasonable or unrealistic comments, but that happens everywhere.


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Is EA using BF3 as a Trojan Horse for Origin? Yes.
Did they copy this tactic from Valve? Yes.
Do people have a choice where they want to buy from? Yes.
Will BF3 be awesome no matter where you buy it from? Yes.

I think that covers everything.


"Do people have a choice where they want to buy from? Yes."

No, you can't buy DLC unless you do it from Origin;


"Will BF3 be awesome no matter where you buy it from? Yes."

This basically says it. You are not even waiting to evaluate the finished product. It hasn't even been released and you're already calling the game awesome. Have you played it ? Do you know what is the game like from start to finish ? Have they accomplished a globally satisfying and rewarding game ? How does the game perform on your PC ? Does it have bugs ? Is the online part working bug free too ? Is the anti-cheat service working properly ?

The difference between you and me is that you are putting faith ahead of reasoning.
Edited by tpi2007 - 8/9/11 at 1:15pm
 
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Then it is stupid to not buy the game you want, simply because you dislike it's distributor.
Why is it stupid? Are people that refused to buy Ubisoft games stupid because of their internet required game saves?

Were people upset over Spores' DRM issues stupid? EA was behind that. EA still only lets you install Crysis only 5 times with no server revocation tool. EA was behind that.

Some people do not understand that other people's dislike of EA outweighs their like of BF.
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
I'm simply pointing out EA's holes in their reasoning behind pulling stuff from Steam.
Your argument is sound and does have proof.
BF3 is being used to skim users from Steam via Origin.
And if Steam was so restrictive, why are other EA games operating on Steam without issue.

EA clearly wants full control over the product, while Valve can't guarantee the same quality of service if another distributor is in charge of how the content is delivered. Valve is choosing to maintain quality of service over the revenue from BF3 sales.
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Then it is stupid to not buy the game you want, simply because you dislike it's distributor.
Agreed. In business, sometimes you have to do business with those you don't like to get what you want.
Edited by WorldExclusive - 8/9/11 at 1:09pm
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These two comments are most amusing. You two are having a discussion with specific people on this thread, yet then go shifting away from discussing with these people and go on making these posts generalizing about the PC community and making general hypothesis that people would be saying bad things about another aspect of BF3 if it wasn't for this Origin thing. Way to go.

How do you guys know ? And even if there was criticism - what is the problem with that ? Aren't people allowed to express their opinions and want a better game with more options ? Especially a game that hasnb0t even been released yet ? How do you think developers make good games ? By looking at their belly button or by listening to feedback ?

How do you think Windows 7 turned out to be much better than Windows Vista in the user experience ? Microsoft made a huge effort to listen to the customers. And guess what ? I really does serve a purpose. Of course there are always unreasonable or unrealistic comments, but that happens everywhere.






"Do people have a choice where they want to buy from? Yes."

No, you can't buy DLC unless you do it from Origin;


"Will BF3 be awesome no matter where you buy it from? Yes."

This basically says it. You are not even waiting to evaluate the finished product. It hasn't even been relased and you're already calling the game awesome. Have you played it ? Do you know what is the game like from start to finish ? Have they accomplished a globally satisfying and rewarding game ? How does the game perform on your PC ? Does it have bugs ? Is the online part working bug free too ? Is the anti-cheat service wroking properly ?

The difference between you and me is that you are putting faith ahead of reasoning.
Nice try but the quality of this game is not what people are arguing about in this thread, also having the game on steam does not make it a better game, so dont try to use that as valid criticism
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Why is it stupid? Are people that refused to buy Ubisoft games stupid because of their internet required game saves?

Were people upset over Spores' DRM issues stupid? EA was behind that. EA still only lets you install Crysis only 5 times with no server revocation tool. EA was behind that.

Some people do not understand that other people's dislike of EA outweighs their like of BF.
You clearly said you were a fan of Battlefield, despite all these heinous acts EA did to these other games so why are bothering to bring it up now. From what I can see Origins operates exactly like steam and what EA is doing is no different than what valve did years ago. There are options if you want to deny EA of its origin revenue, you could get a physical copy.

Does people's hatred of Activision stop them from buying Activision Blizzard games? Blizzard's sales wouldnt think so.
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Okay, let's see you have an Intel processor.
What about this: Intel Scandal or this: Intel Refuses to pay fine

Let's do a simple Google search for "Steam problems":

Holy Bejezus!

Oh, and you probably run Windows too, let's see.
OH! Have you, by any chance, watched Pirates of Silicon Valley

So, you run hardware produced by a vendor that practically abused its monopoly status, which in turn forced them to pay 1 bn US dollars to AMD.
You run software from a man, who is practically a thief.
And you seem to blame Origin for issues, too. While Steam has litterally thousand upon thousands of users that apparently have issues with it too.

Oh, did you know, that Steam is allowed to remove your account if you hold one game on that particular account? Or if you have no games at all?



Also Steam doesn't know currency

Also, VAC Ban <--- Oh, did I mention this cannot be reversed, even if you reported your account as compromised?
You can't even request details of the ban itself, if you receive one, you're screwed.

Case in point, get you head out of the sand, every company has a track record that doesn't make them look good.

Have you taken a look at Valve's track record?

And no, it's rediculously stupid that such a trivial thing as releasing a game on Steam will win the respect and trust back from you.
This is really starting to be idiotic and really pathetic.



The difference between you and me is that you have to resort to using words like "stupid" "idiotic" and "really pathetic" to make an argument.

And you misread what I said. I said "EA would improve their reputation", I didn't say EA would "win the respect and trust back from" me. Learn to read.

What is your point in highlighting the wrondoings of the companies you cited ? Did you hear me defending them ? No, you didn't. And you are obviously not going to stay away from them either, so it's a moot point from that perspective.

And when it comes to your criticism to Steam, I have already addressed Steam's TOS in this thread and said I didn't agree with some of those rules.

I'm not here saying Valve are saints; I'm only saying EA's track record if far worse than Valve, which have built a reputation over the years.

I repeat, I only have Steam since late 2009. I didn't trust Valve either in the beginning. They had to win over customers trust.

And that Valve time argument ? Please, you are even quoting themselves. Those guys even have a sense of humour to post it on their site, making fun of themselves. And what can you really say about a game released late ? Is that affecting your rights ?

What do you prefer, a proper game or a game released ahead of what it should have been, full of bugs and with a less than brilliant gameplay and global gamer satisfaction ?
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Nice try but the quality of this game is not what people are arguing about in this thread, also having the game on steam does not make it a better game, so dont try to use that as valid criticism
This is the problem with this thread. People don't follow the conversations.

I was replying to that person who was making an argument that included that. So HE was talking about that, and I was replying to him and him alone. Besides, where did you take it that I said it would be a better game if it was on Steam ? Again, same problem, you didn't read it properly.
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