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Your adjectives should have never been in your defense. That is the point. That shows just how insecure you are in arguing. And then that shows by how you go nitpicking because I wrote "if" instead of "is" and forgot an apostrophe somewhere. And what grammar are you talking about ? People make slight mistakes that don't affect you from perfectly understanding the content. Get serious.


So, just because Steam has faults, which I even aknowledged in this very same thread, somehow I cannot point out EA's faults ?

How hypocritical are you for pointing out Intel's faults when you are using a CPU that is even more recent than mine ? Seriously, what point are you trying to make ?


And as to your rights concerning Valve, look at the link you provided. Most of the Valve Time stories are about either free game updates - TF2 - to which you have no legal right at all, or about a Valve game release date.

BY the way, what right do you have to buy HL2:EP3 ?

NONE! IF they want to, they can say they are packing their bags, they will no longer produce any games, and you can't do anything about it. You have no legal right to it. At all.
Since you lack the time to properly read my arguments, and make a habbit out of insulting people, I will just ignore you.
Let me be the smartest smarter one of us both.



Edited by SoulThief - 8/9/11 at 2:25pm
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Your adjectives should have never been in your defense. That is the point. That shows just how insecure you are in arguing. And then that shows by how you go nitpicking because I wrote "if" instead of "is" and forgot an apostrophe somewhere. And what grammar are you talking about ? People make slight mistakes that don't affect you from perfectly understanding the content. Get serious.


So, just because Steam has faults, which I even aknowledged in this very same thread, somehow I cannot point out EA's faults ?

How hypocritical are you for pointing out Intel's faults when you are using a CPU that is even more recent than mine ? Seriously, what point are you trying to make ?


And as to your rights concerning Valve, look at the link you provided. Most of the Valve Time stories are about either free game updates - TF2 - to which you have no legal right at all, or about a Valve game release date.

By the way, what right do you have to buy HL2:EP3 ?

NONE! If they want to, they can say they are packing their bags, they will no longer produce any games, and you can't do anything about it. You have no legal right to it. At all.

He's not denying EA has any faults he is just explaining many of the faults the companies you support have and how you have no qualms about supporting them but refusing to buy BF3 because of EA's past faults.
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You seem to exaggerate the problems of EADM and fail to mention steam's problems. I love steam to but they are far from perfect.
I make a habit of never bothering to respond to people who respond to me WITHIN a quote since it makes it 2x harder for me to quote and respond.
    
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Nice try again but this is what you said and this is what I replied to:

How do you guys know ? And even if there was criticism - what is the problem with that ? Aren't people allowed to express their opinions and want a better game with more options ?

I will say again releasing the game on steam does not make it a better game. Don't say something then try to cover your behind by saying I didn't read properly

Again, in that part I was not arguing that a game being on Steam would make it better; I was replying to you both who were making guesses that the PC community would be arguing about something else related to the game if it wasn't for this Origin problem. And I said, even if it was the case, what would be the problem with that ? Take it as a sidenote then.


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Since you lack the time to properly read my arguments, and make a habbit out of insulting people, I will just ignore you.
Let me be the smartest of us both.
It's obvious then that you are not up to par to having a discussion. I addressed your arguments. You apparently can't address mine.

And I'm insulting you ? How ? You were the one using those insulting words I quoted before.
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Again, in that part I was not arguing that a game being on Steam would make it better; I replying to you both who where making guesses that the PC community would be arguing about something else related to the game if it wasn't for this Origin problem. An I said, even if it was the case, what would be the problem with that. Take it as a sidenote then.


This thread has nothing to do with the actual game of BF3, I cannot find someone mentioning anything about the actual game. Everyone here is complaining that the game isnt on steam, which has nothing to do with the quality of the game, however you said arent people entitled to want a better game with more options, and I will say it again releasing the game on steam will not make it a better game. Did the steam release and integration make the turd that was Duke Nukem Forever better? Or how about Supreme Commander 2? Or RUSE? Or how about everyone's favorite PC games MW2 and Blackops?

Dont try to twist your statement, even if you were saying DICE should listen to people legitmate gameplay concerns about BF3 it wouldnt make sense, since this thread is not the place for it and DICE has been listening as you can see from the list of features BF3 has over BC2.
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Too much whining/cat-fighting in this thread.

Steam and Origin both have their issues, and differences. You can buy the physical or Digital copy of BF3.

I'll get the physical.

Simple as that.
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He's not denying EA has any faults he is just explaining many of the faults the companies you support have and how you have no qualms about supporting them but refusing to buy BF3 because of EA's past faults.

But who said I don't have qualms with other companies ? As I stated many times before here, I only have Steam since late 2009. I didn't trust Valve either before, and I have actually played the Half-Life 2 Demo back in 2006, but I don't even remember what was that account's name because I didn't use it any further.

The question here is that I don't trust EA as much as I do Valve. That may change in the future. But when people come here saying that EA is just as good/bad as Valve, it's their opinion, which I think is globally wrong, and we could exchange arguments all day, but I have come to the conclusion this is just too subjective to say anybody will win this discussion.

Especially when some people come here and insult others - not your case though.

But so that everybody knows, this thread has already been cleaned by Moderators at least five times. That shows just how some people can't have a discussion without resorting to swearing.

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This thread has nothing to do with the actual game of BF3, I cannot find someone mentioning anything about the actual game. Everyone here is complaining that the game isnt on steam, which has nothing to do with the quality of the game, however you said arent people entitled to want a better game with more options, and I will say it again releasing the game on steam will not make it a better game. Did the steam release and integration make the turd that was Duke Nukem Forever better? Or how about Supreme Commander 2? Or RUSE? Or how about everyone's favorite PC games MW2 and Blackops?

Dont try to twist your statement, even if you were saying DICE should listen to people legitmate gameplay concerns about BF3 it wouldnt make sense, since this thread is not the place for it and DICE has been listening as you can see from the list of features BF3 has over BC2.

You're right, it doesn't. And I wasn't making that argument. Read it again. I'm not twisting my statement, I stand by every word in that post.

What I said was 'and so what if people criticize any eventual problems with the game if it weren't for this Origin thing being discussed' ?

That was because WorldExclusive had said that if people weren't here discussing this news, we would be saying bad things about the game itself instead, because PC gamers are never satisfied. And I said, and so what ? Some of those eventual criticisms could actually be useful, IF they were to occur, but they aren't because we're here discussing this instead.
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But who said I don't have qualms with other companies ? As I stated many times before here, I only have Steam since late 2009. I didn't trust Valve either before, and I have actually played the Half-Life 2 Demo back in 2006, but I don't even remember what was that account's name because I didn't use it any further.

The question here is that I don't trust EA as much as I do Valve. That may change in the future. But when people come here saying that EA is just as good/bad as Valve, it's their opinion, which I think is globally wrong, and we could exchange arguments all day, but I have come to the conclusion this is just too subjective to say anybody will win this discussion.

Especially when some people come here and insult others - not your case though.

But so that everybody knows, this thread has already been cleaned by Moderators at least three times. That shows just how some people can't have a discussion without resorting to swearing.
Nobody can win this discussion since it all comes down to opinions and preferences.
What we were trying to point out, was simply that for everything EA has done wrong there's another company that has done something as well.

The thing is, if you don't give a company a chance, they will never gain reputation, since I doubt (but could be wrong) EA would've gained any reputation if they had planned to release BF3 on Steam the first place.
They will now, only gain reputation if they cave in and EA drops the idea to offer DLC only in-game or only through Origin.

The whole debate is wearing a little bit thin, though. We all had a hand in that, people are calling each other names, simply because they don't want to purchase products from Origin. That's a right you have, and I won't argue differently.

I prefer Steam, too. Not because I distrust EA or trust Valve more, but because I am more familiar with the platform, nearly all my games are purchased through Steam and it enlarges my e-peen, because I can show-off how many games I really have.

It is unfortunate, that EA and Valve haven't been able to come to an agreement, but for me, personally, this little predicament is not enough to decide not to purchase the product.
I think many people share the same ideal, and many oppose to it, but there's really nothing to gain from arguing continuously.

I cannot make you trust EA anymore than you do now, nor do I wish to.
There are plenty of other ways to obtain the game, physically or digitally other than Origin, I still hope, regardless, that we'll be able to meet each other on the battlefield, either as friend or foe.
Edited by SoulThief - 8/9/11 at 3:08pm
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Too much whining/cat-fighting in this thread.

Steam and Origin both have their issues, and differences. You can buy the physical or Digital copy of BF3.

I'll get the physical.

Simple as that.
Has there been any official confirmation from EA that the physical hard disc of BF3 will not still involve Origin? It could be like Valve games where even if you buy the physical copy, you still have to register for an account with the game download/management client. Now if this is already confirmed that the physical retail will not use Origin, then I will buy it.

To people still talking about Origin VS Steam:

It is not Origin vs Steam for most of us, but the simple fact that we do not want another download client on our computer regardless of which company hosts it. This coupled with my dislike and distrust for EA as a company is enough to outweigh my desire to get the game. Yes EA has the right to choose what channels they use to release their game. I also have the right to decide whether or not I want to buy the game. I have never argued that EA is wrong here. I simply do not want to play their game of having their client crammed down my throat.
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Nobody can win this discussion since it all comes down to opinions and preferences.
What we were trying to point out, was simply that for everything EA has done wrong there's another company that has done something as well.

The thing is, if you don't give a company a chance, they will never gain reputation, since I doubt (but could be wrong) EA would've gained any reputation if they had planned to release BF3 on Steam the first place.
They will now, only gain reputation if they cave in and EA drops the idea to offer DLC only in-game or only through Origin.

The whole debate is wearing a little bit thin, though. We all had a hand in that, people are calling each other names, simply because they don't want to purchase products from Origin. That's a right you have, and I won't argue differently.

I prefer Steam, too. Not because I distrust EA or trust Valve more, but because I am more familiar with the platform, nearly all my games are purchased through Steam and it enlarges my e-peen, because I can show-off how many games I really have.

It is unfortunate, that EA and Valve haven't been able to come with an agreement, but for me, personally, this little predicament is not enough to decide not to purchase the product.
I think many people share the same ideal, and many oppose to it, but there's really nothing to gain from arguing continuously.

I cannot make you trust EA anymore than you do now, nor do I wish to.
There are plenty of other ways to obtain the game, physically or digitally other than Origin, I still hope, regardless, that we'll be able to meet each other on the battlefield, either as friend or foe.
Ya what this guy said I like having all my games on steam but sometimes that isnt always the case eg blizzard. However all the Battlefield games have been top notch and the quality of this one seem on par with Bf1942 and BF2, If its a game I want I do not care about the launch program I just want the game and I will show my support by buying it
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