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It is less restrictive ? We'll see about that. Let's see if EA, that admitedy want to be the leader in digital distribution will let third party developers to have their own patch and dlc selling system. They might right now, but they are not going anywhere unless they do the same as Steam. And EA will, sooner or later, want that part of the profit.




What bug ? Am I missing something ? If I have the Ethernet cable disconneted or the wireless turned off, this is what appears and I just click to start in Offline mode, and it always works.

What happens often, happened to me today, if you havnt gone offline in a while, after you were first online, steam hasn't logged information for you to go offline, so when you try to play offline, you get the error "cannot connect to network, check your connection and try again"

But if you don't have a net connection, how are you supposed to solve this? The only answer is, you have to get your machine online and login in online, then go offline.

If that's not a pain in the arse, you're VERY placid lol
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What bug ? Am I missing something ? If I have the Ethernet cable disconneted or the wireless turned off, this is what appears and I just click to start in Offline mode, and it always works.
Occasionally, like if you accidentally clicked Go online, and your on a terrible connection (dialup) then Steam would try to update, and then you couldn't relaunch it in offline mode, it would just be stuck until updated. Might be fixed now though.
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What happens often, happened to me today, if you havnt gone offline in a while, after you were first online, steam hasn't logged information for you to go offline, so when you try to play offline, you get the error "cannot connect to network, check your connection and try again"

But if you don't have a net connection, how are you supposed to solve this? The only answer is, you have to get your machine online and login in online, then go offline.

If that's not a pain in the arse, you're VERY placid lol

It must then be a pain in the arse; I was just asking if I had missed something, like you read, because it never happened to me, and I have done it several times.
 
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I never said I'm entitled to detailed clarification. I do, however, have a right as a consumer to make my purchasing decisions based on questions and doubts raised on incidents such as this. In terms of BF3, I'm not even a licensee yet. What I am is a potential customer and it is their job to convince me and many other potential customers if they want the money bad enough, though some people believe that acting on that right constitutes being "terribly lethargic".

It's a widely known fact that it was Steam who ultimately removed those EA games, but no details have been disclosed about what has changed that caused the disagreement in policies. As a digital distributor, it is of course preferably by Valve that Steam distributes as much games as possible, but since now EA cannot comply with Steam's policy like they used to with many games and DLCs, they can no longer use Steam as a distributing platform. There's no reason for a supermarket to speak up if they dropped a product due to the manufacturer imposing changes that goes against the supermarket's original policy. All other publishers who use Steam to distribute their titles will just keep adding their own DRM here and there and continue to update their games. If there's something Steam is doing that is limiting EA's ability to update their games and DLCs, then I would think that EA's ability is limited in the first place, but since they were able to comply with Steam's "restrictive" policy with their older titles, I would more likely to suspect that they are practicing anti-competitive business tactics.

Ultimately, it would be EA's loss if some consumers act on their right and choose not to buy the product on the PC. Since I do still want to play the game and I have a choice here to vote with my money, I'd rather show my displease by buying an used console copy.
Sorry, my comment might've been a tad too, offensive, my apologies.

What I fail to understand, however, is that fact that because Valve dropped the game for an "undisclosed" reason. It is EA that you turn to for some kind of clarification.

I am not debating whether or not you have a right, as a potential customer, no doubt to ask for clarification, however you're turning to the wrong company here.

And yes, if a supermarket drops a product for an unknown reason I turn to the supermarket to ask why.

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It's a widely known fact that it was Steam who ultimately removed those EA games, but no details have been disclosed about what has changed that caused the disagreement in policies.
So, you agree it was Valve.

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There's no reason for a supermarket to speak up if they dropped a product due to the manufacturer imposing changes that goes against the supermarket's original policy.
Riiiight, so let me get this straight: Supermarket = Steam.
Supermarket decides to drop product.
But it's the manufacturer of said product that needs to answer for it? Just. Wow. Seriously. Wow.

EA has already responded on the matter, saying it was for DLC and Patch restrictions, Valve has yet to respond on anything, but EA is the boogey-man? Really?

So, in this day and age, it doesn't matter that the product you're buying is exactly the same, regardless if it's released through D2D, Physical media or Impulse, no because a game is not released on Steam one decides to partially-boycott the developer?

Do as you please, your logic completely elludes me and I have not the pleasure nor the time to try and get a reasonable argument out of your comments. As much as I am defending EA you are defending Steam, and neither of us has any merrits to base our claims on.

Who is at fault? -- Nobody knows, but the error is simply not dedicated to one side, both parties play their role in this predicament and EA, has been the only one to give some sort of response.
Edited by SoulThief - 8/6/11 at 10:02am
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so many whiners...you will just get the game anyway...who cares if it's steam or origin, if you don't want to have both programs running just close one and keep the other open...20mb more on your hardisk won't affect your pc -_______-
So true.. I don't see the big deal about having 2 apps open. People on this forum have the best of everything. Don't think 2 apps going to kill our tech, this is not the 90's people lol.
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I have nothing against origin, I just don't need more than one distribution service. It's easier to have all of my games in one list
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I have nothing against origin, I just don't need more than one distribution service. It's easier to have all of my games in one list
You don't need to have origin open to run your games. add the .exe to your steam library.
    
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Anyway, this whole discussion always gets a bit sentimental; I have also been sentimental about this subject in other threads, but I remind myself that I only have Steam for less than two years.

I was also one of many that didn't want a program always running, and I felt like that for many years, but I ended up liking it a lot once I got over that resistance.

If we want to be objective here tough, I think that what upsets most people is not the fact that you'll have to run an additional program, which, altough annoying, is just another to add to the list of GFWL, Rockstar Social Club, GameSpy Comrade, PunkBuster, etc.

The problem here is the attitude EA has. It's not really what they want to be in the future - the leader in digital distribution, they have every right to aspire to that, but the problem lies mostly with:

1. the way they are acting. All of a sudden, after many years of not there being problems with Steam, they suddenly start having problems with their TOS, coincidentally at the same time they are launching a) their own revamped distribution service; b) major titles like BF3, and the Crysis 2 DX11 patch;

2. the reputation EA has. In this regard Valve has not only gained their reputation over the years, whereas EA has always been a company that you always have to be looking over your shoulder to see if you should trust them, and that is why many people, like me, are not very willing to get into their platform.


And even if we buy the game at a retailer and have to use Origin to activate it, we won't be using it, so we send a clear message we don't want business done like this. If their digital store fails, maybe they learn their lesson on how to gain people's trust instead of acting like this.
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So true.. I don't see the big deal about having 2 apps open. People on this forum have the best of everything. Don't think 2 apps going to kill our tech, this is not the 90's people lol.
Actually, I can understand people preferring Steam, I have 90% of my games on Steam, so naturally it would be easier to have my games in one location for easier future reference.

What I fail to understand, however, is why people are seeking a formal, detailed, explanation why EA or Valve decided to drop Steam support for BF3.
Does this change anything? -- Whatever the reason, it is not coming to Steam.

Does the reason really change anything, noteworthy enough to decide not to purchase the game, solely because one distributor, either because of EA or Valve is left out of the loop?

That would be the same like saying, one will not purchase the game because Gamestop doesn't offer it, Developer isn't saying why Gamestop doesn't offer it, but I purchase all my games there so I will boycott the game.

How about boycotting Steam, because Valve refuses to respond why their ToS doesn't apply to EA, and why Crysis 2 was dropped, BF3 is dropped, but many other EA games are still offered.
If EA really wanted to have that monopoly, they would've dropped all of their games, wouldn't they?


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Anyway, this whole discussion always gets a bit sentimental; I have also been sentimental about this subject in other threads, but I remind myself that I only have Steam for less than two years.

I was also one of many that didn't want a program always running, and I felt like that for many years, but I ended up liking it a lot once I got over that resistance.

If we want to be objective here tough, I think that what upsets most people is not the fact that you'll have to run an additional program, which, altough annoying, is just another to add to the list of GFWL, Rockstar Social Club, GameSpyComrade, PunkBuster, etc.

The problem here is the attitude EA has. It's not really what they want to be in the future - the leader in digital distribution, they have every right to do so, but the problem lies mostly with

1. the way they are acting. All of a sudden, after many years of not there being problems with Steam, they suddenly start having problems with their TOS, coincidentally at the same time they are launching a) their own revamped distribution service; b) major titles like BF3, and the Crysis 2 DX11 patch;
It's Steam that has problems with EA and dropped Crysis 2, not the other way around.
EA still retains the right, to decide, which distributor they use to release their games on.

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2. the reputation EA has. In this regard Valve has not only gained their reputation over the years, whereas EA has always been a company that you always have to be looking over your shoulder to see if you should trust them, and that is why many people, like me, are not very willing to get into their platform.

The reputation of promising things "This week" and releasing it a month later?
Source

In recent months, EA's reputation has slowly been climbing, while Valve's has been declining in their absolute silence of HL2: EP3 (which they more or less promised).

Also, if you are so weary of EA's practises and don't trust their platform for one reason or another, why do you continue to purchase their software?
That's the same as saying Apple is evil, and should die, but still purchase their hardware through some other store than an offical Apple-only store.

Really, will it make EA anymore trustworthy when you purchase their software through another distributor? If EA decides to drop support for BF3, removes the possibility to play the game online, would it have been any different that you purchased the game through Steam or Origin?
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Herp de derp, we've known this for ages?

I preordered a physical copy yesterday anyway. If EA aren't going to place nice then I don't care for their origin service. Give people a choice.
No difference bewteen physical copy and Origin...other than that you won't have to download as much. You will activate it on origin and log into origin to play. Likely EA will count all physical game sales as Origin sales in order to boost their numbers for Origin...especially if they are planning on trying to get other developers to sell games on Origin or if they just want numbers to stick in Steam's face.
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