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Meh, I got a free copy of Mass Effect 2 for preodering BF3 on origin, and origin beta access... hard to beat that deal ATM
I saved $60 and an intrusive, to me, software download I didn't want on my computer.

Damn good deal.
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If EA really wanted to have that monopoly, they would've dropped all of their games, wouldn't they?




It's Steam that has problems with EA and dropped Crysis 2, not the other way around.
EA still retains the right, to decide, which distributor they use to release their games on.




The reputation of promising things "This week" and releasing it a month later?
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In recent months, EA's reputation has slowly been climbing, while Valve's has been declining in their absolute silence of HL2: EP3 (which they more or less promised).

Also, if you are so weary of EA's practises and don't trust their platform for one reason or another, why do you continue to purchase their software?
That's the same as saying Apple is evil, and should die, but still purchase their hardware through some other store than an offical Apple-only store.

Really, will it make EA anymore trustworthy when you purchase their software through another distributor? If EA decides to drop support for BF3, removes the possibility to play the game online, would it have been any different that you purchased the game through Steam or Origin?

1. No, the other older games that are more than a year old have sold the majority of the numbers they will ever sell (with the possible except for those occasions when they are on sale), so there is no point in EA making themselves look bad by removing them from Steam if they don't really need to; besides, there are no more patches or DLC's for those games anyway, so they don't have any financial incentive to do so.

2. Steam has problems because EA wanted to build a store inside each game, thereby bypassing the Steam store. EA has every right to do so, but Steam has a business to run; if they start making games with multiple DLC parts to bypass the digital distributor, it would be the equivalent of you willingly accepting a trojan horse in your PC; it does not make sense. And if EA starts selling third party games in their store they will probably have the same policy. Or do you think they are saints that won't want that part of the revenue ? In this respect, Steam an Origin will have the same rules. And I have no problem with that. I just don't like the tactics EA is using to try and get customers to their store.

3. It's funny how you try do defend EA and say bad things about Valve like saying they "more or less promised" HL2: EP3. And the thing about Valve time, you even quote their own site, they have no problems admittting they put quality ahead of releasing a game, and even have the sense of humour to play with that Valve time concept. Valve is the company that bought "The Announcer" design from a third party artist because they liked it. Valve is a company that is continuously investing in quality and has no problems in doing business properly. How many companies do you know act like this ?


4. I still haven't bought Crysis 2, and I don't know if I will buy BF3. But I can tell you one thing: if I do, I will buy the retail version. Why ? Does it make a difference, you ask. Yes it does. I will not be supporting their digital distribution medium. I will just be using it as GFWL. It's not perfect, but it sends a message.



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No difference bewteen physical copy and Origin...other than that you won't have to download as much. You will activate it on origin and log into origin to play. Likely EA will count all physical game sales as Origin sales in order to boost their numbers for Origin...especially if they are planning on trying to get other developers to sell games on Origin or if they just want numbers to stick in Steam's face.

This is not the first time this argument has come up. It is illegal and a fraud to count retail sales as digital sales. From a fiscal point of view they have to be accounted separately, as the way they are sold - with intermediaries in the first case, and without in the second, is completely different.
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Lol. So, Origin lover can't even thinking about the answer for my simple question, huh?

I guess I need to spell it out for you. It's really simple EA's just tell the lies, that's it.

I don't really have problem with BF3 only available at Origin. It's their choice. I just hate it when they lies like Activision did. Just tell the truth that they want to compete with Steam, want to dethrone Steam and take their place. Don't think everyone stupid enough to not realize what are they trying to do.
The truth right there.

But they'll never dethrone Steam b/c 3rd party devs will never trust EA to sell their games fairly like Steam will. Think Activision would ever trust EA to sell CoD when EA has BF coming out? Think CDProjekt would ever trust EA to sell The Witcher when EA has Dragon Age coming out?

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2. Steam has problems because EA wanted to build a store inside each game, thereby bypassing the Steam store. EA has every right to do so, but Steam has a business to run; if they start making games with multiple DLC parts to bypass the digital distributor, it would be the equivalent you of willingly accept a trojan horse in you PC; it does not make sense. And if EA starts selling third party games in their store they will probably have the same policy. Or do you think they are saints that wont want that part of the revenue ? In this respect, Steam an Origin will have the same rules. And I have no problem with that. I just don't like the tactics EA is using to try and get customers to their store.
To be fair, Steam did the same thing but Steam gets a pass on that b/c Valve brought players, kicking and screaming, into the Digital Distribution age in 2004 with Half-Life 2. They pioneered it so they get a pass from me in that regard. If EA had done it I would be saying the same thing about them.
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Lol. So, Origin lover can't even thinking about the answer for my simple question, huh?

I guess I need to spell it out for you. It's really simple EA's just tell the lies, that's it.

I don't really have problem with BF3 only available at Origin. It's their choice. I just hate it when they lies like Activision did. Just tell the truth that they want to compete with Steam, want to dethrone Steam and take their place. Don't think everyone stupid enough to not realize what are they trying to do.
Since when has BF3 only been on Origin? IT'S NOT, SIMPLE AS THAT.

It is steam's own fault that there not getting BF3.
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Since when has BF3 only been on Origin? IT'S NOT, SIMPLE AS THAT.

It is steam's own fault that there not getting BF3.
OR, if you think about it logically, you'd probably realize that those DD's get maybe 1/10th the business that Steam does, and in an effort to get more sales they decided to separate themselves from Steam's practices, even if those practices make sense.

EA doesn't see the other DD's as a threat. They realize that they could steal their market share in less than a year.
    
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post
No learn how to read in between the lines instead of believing everything you hear verbatim from the public relations department. Only people who cannot think critically are the really stupid ones.

What purpose does it serve EA for it to exclude itself from the largest online gaming distribution store? Surely Origin is why.
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I realize we're 10 pages deep in this and since you're on page 1 you probably have 20 responses......but REALLY!? INSANE?! That's so over-the-top it's ridiculous. There's nothing insane about Steam wanting the ability to sell xyz's DLC through their stores if they sell xyz's game.

For reference, I'll bring up my DLCs with Fallout 3. Even with the game crashing bugs and the other things that made FO3 virtually unplayable, i loved it. So the first DLC came out, but lo' and behold, i had to DL it through GFWL. Ok, no biggie i guess. So i have to create a new login to do it.....ok annoying but whatever. Ok now they're telling me I can't just BUY the game, i have to buy POINTS first so I can exchange it for a game. NOW i see the game is 800 points but they only sell points in increments of 500 or 1000, FORCING me to overpay. Ok, whatever, i exchanged my money for worthless monopoply money to exchange for the DLC. NOW the stupid DLC isn't downloading in the right area and I need to move it....

I was so put off by my experience I didn't buy anymore DLCs for Fallout 3 and just waited until the Fallout 3: GOTY edition came out. EA-Bioware's site is the same. If i wasn't head-over-heels in love with Mass Effect 2, i would have done the same thing with that game too.

Steam is doing the same thing that MS is with xbox or Sony is with ps3 except buyers still have an option of going through other DD's or the company directly AND Steam does not charge for updates and patches. The reality here is that EA does not want a major competitor when it comes to PC DLC, and now we're seeing what all this migration to DLC has really been about: Pure profit by eliminating the middle-man. A game probably costs $10-20 mil per platform, sells for $60 and they probably take a 25% haircut off the top for shipping/retailer cost. A DLC probably costs $1-2 mil per platform, sells for $10-$15 and 100% of the revenue goes to the dev.



If anything it sounds like your bias at work affecting your perception.

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I predict that 6 months after release BF3 will come to Steam. It has waaay too big of an audience for them to ignore. The only reason they've balked now is to try and jump start their Origin service.

So, 6 months Origin exclusive to get people using the service, then they'll make it available on Steam to get those sales. Mark my words, this is exactly what is going to happen.
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1. No, the other older games that are more than a year old have sold the majority of the numbers they will ever sell (with the possible except for those occasions when they are on sale), so there is no point in EA making themselves look bad by removing them from Steam if they don't really need to; besides, there are no more patches or DLC's for those games anyway, so they don't have any financial incentive to do so.
EA didn't remove the games, Valve did. Get your facts straight.
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To be fair, Steam did the same thing but Steam gets a pass on that b/c Valve brought players, kicking and screaming, into the Digital Distribution age in 2004 with Half-Life 2. They pioneered it so they get a pass from me in that regard. If EA had done it I would be saying the same thing about them.
Valve made gamers angry first, but then gamers accepted it so it's ok... but now that EA is doing the same thing, it's bad mojo? Guess we just have to wait till gamers are ok with Origin too!
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Who honestly cares? Steam is a piece of junk.
Ok, I'll bite. Is there any logical reason why Steam is a piece of junk or is this just something that's fueled by ideology?

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I would rather give EA 100% of my money for this game than giving valve a small percentage. And honestly if you think that Origin is going to be a threat to Steam then your a idiot. Origin is only offering EA games, its just the same exact thing as a re skinned EADM.
Call me an idiot then because I see the writing on the wall. EA not being on Steam will take a small chunk out of Steam's market share. Not having BF3, ME3 or the new Star Wars MMO will hurt.

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EA didn't remove the games, Valve did. Get your facts straight.
EA did it by violating the terms of their contract. Simple as that. Steam did not violate the terms of the contract, EA did. EA agreed to them, then decided to break it when they wanted to get Origin out there.

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Valve made gamers angry first, but then gamers accepted it so it's ok... but now that EA is doing the same thing, it's bad mojo? Guess we just have to wait till gamers are ok with Origin too!
Think before you type. It has nothing to do with making gamers angry, it has to do with Valve taking a leap into an unproven market with a completely unproven product and being a true pioneer in that field. 7 years later now that the market is lucrative, bustling and taking the lion's share of PC sales, NOW EA wants to get in.

Its the typical, 'local inventor takes a major risk and succeeds, building up an entire market and a corporation jumps in to try and take over only after the market has been sufficiently built up.'
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That's a pretty epic deal, that still goin?
Ends on the 7th I believe. Here is a link to the page. http://store.origin.com/store/ea/htm...BOO0eZB8cqABMG
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