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I honestly don't know. I know there's a lot of people that think valve can do no wrong, even though steam is obviously not perfect. Hey, I like systems with less DRM involved, I must be a terrible gamer or something, oh well.
You think EA is going to give you LESS DRM? LoL.


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I've seen the ToS for that, and as I recall it was 2 years, and only if you didn't log into your account at all,
I forgot about that one. They can kill your account/games for non-use after 2 yrs, they can stop offering DD after 1 yr.

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not individual games (I still have Spore on my EA account, and I haven't touched that since at latest October/November of 2008). Hey, did you happen to know that Steam can also terminate your account for any reason without refund according to their terms? Amazing, I know, it's almost like legaleses is there to protect a company's stuff
1. No i did not know that. Can you show it to me?

2. How many examples do you have of Steam doing it? We have people in this forum who have 'lost' games on EADM only to have EA's own customer service give them the middle finger and say, 'so what, buy it again'.

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I can only sit here and laugh as people lie about not buying BF3 if its not on steam.
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I can't say I won't buy it but it won't be a day-1 purchase. Its going to have to have a really great integrated friends/chat/pm service if it wants to not use steam AND be a huge multiplayer game. I won't know things like that until after it comes out.
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1. No i did not know that. Can you show it to me?
Ooo, so tempting coming from the guy that shouts "AAA WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN OBVIOUS QUESTIONS!?!??!?!". But sure, I'm a nice guy, I'll help you out.
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13. TERM AND TERMINATION

Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time. You understand and agree that the cancellation of your Account or a particular Subscription is your sole right and remedy with respect to any dispute with Valve.

...

C. Termination by Valve.

1. In the case of a recurring payment Subscription (e.g., a monthly subscription), in the event that Valve terminates or cancels your Account or a particular Subscription for convenience, Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide a prorated refund of any prepaid Subscription fees paid to Valve.
2. In the case of a one-time purchase of a product license (e.g., purchase of a single game) from Valve, Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase.
3. In the case of a free Subscription, Valve may choose to terminate or amend the terms of the Subscription as provided in the "Amendments to this Agreement" section above.
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2. How many examples do you have of Steam doing it? We have people in this forum who have 'lost' games on EADM only to have EA's own customer service give them the middle finger and say, 'so what, buy it again'.
I'm aware that EADM used to have terms that did not actually provide download services for more than a month or something. It was something like that when I bought Spore (haha, they wanted $ for me to buy download insurance, like that would ever happen), it's still on my account though so I'm not sure what happened to that policy. I can't speak to other's experiences, I haven't heard anything widespread though, particularly since EADM has undergone a lot of changes since it first launched (particularly with the massive update to Origin).
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It's not EA's fault, it's the insane license agreement Valve presents to be able to distribute your game.
If anything, Valve has itself to thank for this.



No, just no, Steam has denied them the ability to distribute it through them.
Steam is the only service that enforces insane rules when it comes to how patches and DLC should be delivered to a player.
Do you know what Valve is requiring for games to be released on Steam, in terms of DLC? That the DLC is available through the Steams store, and NOT available in-game... AKA, Valve wants their cut of the profit from the DLC. EA wants all the money for themselves, and thus would rather release the DLC in store, or through Origin. Other digital distribution services most likely do not have this same limitation which Steam has, and therefore EA doesn't want to release their games on Steam. Period.
     
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Do you know what Valve is requiring for games to be released on Steam, in terms of DLC? That the DLC is available through the Steams store, and NOT available in-game... AKA, Valve wants their cut of the profit from the DLC. EA wants all the money for themselves, and thus would rather release the DLC in store, or through Origin. Other digital distribution services most likely do not have this same limitation which Steam has, and therefore EA doesn't want to release their games on Steam. Period.
Valve is preventing fragmentation. One of the biggest problems in software as a whole. Yes, I'm sure they want their cut. But, we can't be going to a unified system, and then split into 50 new ones.
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13. TERM AND TERMINATION

Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time. You understand and agree that the cancellation of your Account or a particular Subscription is your sole right and remedy with respect to any dispute with Valve.

...

C. Termination by Valve.

1. In the case of a recurring payment Subscription (e.g., a monthly subscription), in the event that Valve terminates or cancels your Account or a particular Subscription for convenience, Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide a prorated refund of any prepaid Subscription fees paid to Valve.
2. In the case of a one-time purchase of a product license (e.g., purchase of a single game) from Valve, Valve may choose to terminate or cancel your Subscription in its entirety or may terminate or cancel only a portion of the Subscription (e.g., access to the software via Steam) and Valve may, but is not obligated to, provide access (for a limited period of time) to the download of a stand-alone version of the software and content associated with such one-time purchase.
3. In the case of a free Subscription, Valve may choose to terminate or amend the terms of the Subscription as provided in the "Amendments to this Agreement" section above.


Hmm, I don't agree with some of the phrasing of the TOS, but you are claiming that they can "Steam can also terminate your account for any reason", but you are putting the wrong sentence in Bold. It's not as straightforward as you make it to be.

There are three situations where they may cancel your account or a single subscription:

1. Where you have a monthly subscription, Valve may terminate the subscription - imagine the publisher is no longer active and the game is essentially unplayable anymore. I agree the terms could be made clearer, but this is the main point;

2. In case you have a single game in your account, Valve may terminate the subscription to it or the access to the game through Steam, and it may (but is not obliged to) give you a standalone copy of said game instead;

3. In the case where you have a free subscription, Valve may chose to either change the terms of the agreement (in which case you can cancel the subscription if you want to, of course), or terminate the subscription. This is probably for those cases where you open a Steam account solely to get free games (for example, Valve gave away Portal last year), or free demos.

So, while I don't agree with some things in here that don't favour the consumer, it's also not true that they can cancel your account in all cases.
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Its going to have to have a really great integrated friends/chat/pm service if it wants to not use steam AND be a huge multiplayer game. I won't know things like that until after it comes out.
Add non-Steam game to Steam
?????
PROFIT

If I can use Steam chat in a frigging DOS looking game like Touhou, I'd shoot my own foot if it didn't work with BF3...
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Dont see the problem. The only reason Steam even became popular was because it was required for CSS, HL2 great PC tittles. Now EA is doing the same thing promoting Origin with BF3.
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Hmm, I don't agree with some of the phrasing of the TOS, but you are claiming that they can "Steam can also terminate your account for any reason", but you are putting the wrong sentence in Bold. It's not as straightforward as you make it to be.

There are three situations where they may cancel your account or a single subscription:
Part C applies to any individual subscriptions you have, those are governed by your entire account (if your account is terminated, all active subscriptions are terminated). You missed part of what I bolded, see the "or" below, the italics are the two things they (or you) can terminate.

"Either you or Valve has the right to terminate or cancel your Account or a particular Subscription at any time"
Edited by Xeio - 8/6/11 at 2:45pm
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Hmm, I don't agree with some of the phrasing of the TOS, but you are claiming that they can "Steam can also terminate your account for any reason", but you are putting the wrong sentence in Bold. It's not as straightforward as you make it to be.

There are three situations where they may cancel your account or a single subscription:

1. Where you have a monthly subscription, Valve may terminate the subscription - imagine the publisher is no longer active and the game is essentially unplayable anymore. I agree the terms could be made clearer, but this is the main point;

2. In case you have a single game in your account, Valve may terminate the subscription to it or the access to the game through Steam, and it may (but is not obliged to) give you a standalone copy of said game instead;

3. In the case where you have a free subscription, Valve may chose to either change the terms of the agreement (in which case you can cancel the subscription if you want to, of course), or terminate the subscription. This is probably for those cases where you open a Steam account solely to get free games (for example, Valve gave away Portal last year), or free demos.

So, while I don't agree with some things in here that don't favour the consumer, it's also not true that they can cancel your account in all cases.
You are reading the agreement wrong, Valve may and is capable of prohibiting access to your account.
The termination clause, simply states that Valve may, but is not obliged, to give you a partial refund or replacement product, the bolded part clearly states they may cancel your account at ANY time.

There is no way that this can be interpreted differently, 'any' is an absolute and is not subject to interpretation in different context, especially not if it serves the role of an adjective for the noun 'time'.

Any time, means 'always'.

And that, is the problem with digital distribution, your association with Steam is based on a license scheme, in other words, you do not purchase the game, you purchase a license to be able to install and use that particular piece of software.
By creating a Steam account, you accept the ToS that Valve commands, which states that Valve, for whatever reason, may cancel your account at any time. Either partially, or as a whole.
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No loss here, though I have found that steam has been better about randomly going down this past year.
Competition is always good though.
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