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why are you comparing 2 900mhz 470's to 1 480?,ive never used 3dmark but im assuming just because you get a higher score does not mean you will get higher frame rates in games (just an assumption)

Actually you are the one who put the GTX 480 into the equation. Everyone in this thread is comparing a 915 GTX 470 vs a stock GTX 580. Obviously your GTX 480 would need less of an overclock to match a stock GTX 580.
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Actually you are the one who put the GTX 480 into the equation. Everyone in this thread is comparing a 915 GTX 470 vs a stock GTX 580. Obviously your GTX 480 would need less of an overclock to match a stock GTX 580.
Not to mention I'm comparing two 470's at 900MHz+ to two 580's at stock ... it's right there in writing

I believe Balla because my cards at 825/1800 will pull down 10868 GPU score, so 12K at 900MHz sounds about exactly right.

I must say, it never ceases to amaze me how weak some people think 470's are. A 580 is basically the same card, but with 1/7 more CUDA cores and Texture units, 1/5 more ROPS, and 1/5 wider memory bus. Plus a hefty 27% clock advantage on the core/shaders, and 16% clock advantage on the memory .

I'm not quite sure why anyone wouldn't assume that if you OC'd a 470 by a whopping 50% ... that you're going to be able to overcome a 13-20% deficit in hardware units

470's are a little on the 'slower' side out of the box (leading to their 'stock' benches not looking too impressive), but that's just because they didn't want to undermine the 480's $500 price point. Had they put out the 470 at 702c like a 480 (which they'll ALL easily do), it's perf would've been so close that nV would've had a very hard time asking an extra $150 for the 480.

ATI did something very similar with the 5850, which is even closer perf-wise to the 5870 (clock-for-clock) than the 470 is to the 480. They just downclock the 2nd-tier card so that the top-tier card looks really superior and they can get a premium for it. In reality, in both cases, most of what you're paying extra for is a good-sized overclock on the card.
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I think my Maximus III Extreme supports quad SLI
Nice, but you still want a bad-a$$ cpu to handle quad-fire.

Darn! It seems when there's thread that I can contribute some figures, something is being rma'd .

Balla and BigCactus, what are your gpu scores in vantage and 11? Just for reference, three 470s @ 860 did 44.5k in vantage and 15.3k in 11 on a 950@4.4.
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Indeed, price-performance wise it makes sense. But what if you don't care about price?

I just feel there is no need for the ego-massage that some guys keep insisting on.
If you got a 470 SLI, you got a monster system and should be happy about it. There's no need to go rubbing each others shoulders and saying: look how smart we are, we spent less money and got a system that is almost as good as a much more expensive one at stock
One 470 should be enough for any game, no? (maybe you would have to tweak a bit the settings on some but, I gamed on a 8600 for some 2 years, even after the 200 series was out and had loads of fun )

Lets all be happy with what we have OCN!
Some people like cost-benefit, some don't care so much about cost and only care about benefit. Whichever you prefer is just as well
I think you misunderstood the point of this thread. It's not to bash the 580, it's to see if the same results can be achieved for a lower cost. Everyone's fine with those who don't care.

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why are you comparing 2 900mhz 470's to 1 480?,ive never used 3dmark but im assuming just because you get a higher score does not mean you will get higher frame rates in games (just an assumption)
3D Mark score is based on how many FPS you get...
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The 580 has more tessellmegigabytes. Sorry brah!
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Slower..

800Mhz GTX 470 = GTX 480

If it was a 900+Mhz GTX 480 then I would say yes.
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I think you misunderstood the point of this thread. It's not to bash the 580, it's to see if the same results can be achieved for a lower cost. Everyone's fine with those who don't care.
It's cool, dude.
That is dead and gone.
I know now, and knew then, what the thread is about and I am enjoying it (especially BallaTheFeared and brettjv's comments and input), no worries.

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Nice, but you still want a bad-a$$ cpu to handle quad-fire.

Darn! It seems when there's thread that I can contribute some figures, something is being rma'd .

Balla and BigCactus, what are your gpu scores in vantage and 11? Just for reference, three 470s @ 860 did 44.5k in vantage and 15.3k in 11 on a 950@4.4.
Is vantage and 11 a free download or do you have to pay for it?

I'm not sure my system will be good enough to show off the 915mhz clock since I"m running a phenom x4 840. I am patiently awaiting bulldozer before I upgrade.

I'll give it a run but I think my cpu is going to hold me back in these synthetic tests.
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Not to mention I'm comparing two 470's at 900MHz+ to two 580's at stock ... it's right there in writing

I believe Balla because my cards at 825/1800 will pull down 10868 GPU score, so 12K at 900MHz sounds about exactly right.

I must say, it never ceases to amaze me how weak some people think 470's are. A 580 is basically the same card, but with 1/7 more CUDA cores and Texture units, 1/5 more ROPS, and 1/5 wider memory bus. Plus a hefty 27% clock advantage on the core/shaders, and 16% clock advantage on the memory .

I'm not quite sure why anyone wouldn't assume that if you OC'd a 470 by a whopping 50% ... that you're going to be able to overcome a 13-20% deficit in hardware units

470's are a little on the 'slower' side out of the box (leading to their 'stock' benches not looking too impressive), but that's just because they didn't want to undermine the 480's $500 price point. Had they put out the 470 at 702c like a 480 (which they'll ALL easily do), it's perf would've been so close that nV would've had a very hard time asking an extra $150 for the 480.

ATI did something very similar with the 5850, which is even closer perf-wise to the 5870 (clock-for-clock) than the 470 is to the 480. They just downclock the 2nd-tier card so that the top-tier card looks really superior and they can get a premium for it. In reality, in both cases, most of what you're paying extra for is a good-sized overclock on the card.
Now you've said it!

5850 is also a monster card, breading on the 5870's neck even at stock clocks. (Still miss mine , had some good times with my "old" Sapphire 5850 flashed with a 5870's BIOS).

Anyways, its all about wafer yields and costs. The cream of the "harvest" goes to the premium price-point cards and the majority goes for the "mainstream" cards.

So, although the 470 still has the electrical leakage "issue" that is common to the 400 series, as you've said it, it is basically a 580 gtx (or 512 gtx as it should have been called if Uncle Huang had not rushed things to compete with ATI) with a few disabled CUDA cores and a downclock, to justify it's price.

After the 500 series release they (the 400 series cards) have become so cheap as to be surreal. Here in good-old-weird-Japan you can get a 480 gtx for US$160. That's just unfair
If my mobo had tri-sli capability, I could have picked 3 of those and watercooled them for a little over the price of a single of my 580s
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Is vantage and 11 a free download or do you have to pay for it?

I'm not sure my system will be good enough to show off the 915mhz clock since I"m running a phenom x4 840. I am patiently awaiting bulldozer before I upgrade.

I'll give it a run but I think my cpu is going to hold me back in these synthetic tests.
You can get a basic edition of both of them for free, at Futuremark.

I think you can only run "Performance" grade tests with the free editions, but that's enough, right?
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