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I only got the idea of the 6950's from an article. Obviously its a difference of opinion. Any facts to prove whats better. A lot of this is jibberish to me. I'm learning slowly. All of this will be my first run. Desk build. CPU Build. Water cooling build. In serious need of a project to keep me occupied.
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amd tri fire will be better than 2 gtx 580's i think...

pair either an hd6950 or hd6970 with an hd6990....
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I'm really not positive what all that means...I apologize. Im learning lol
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There's arguments to be made on both ATI and Nvidia's side but I would garner that in the end, most people would choose GTX580 in SLI over Tri-fire ATI cards.

In terms of raw "computing power" from the cards, the difference will be minimal. Both setups will run your monitors just fine and play all current games at their maximum settings with 50+ FPS. The edge for Nvidia comes into play when you discuss drivers. Nvidia's drivers, as of late, have been known to be more reliable and updated more frequently than their ATI counterparts.

In the end, you can't go wrong either way - both setups are incredibly beast and will do what you want them to do for years to come. Like I said earlier, I personally would choose Nvidia for the increased reliability; GTX580 SLI is tried and tested to perform while Tri-fire ATI is much less common.
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tri fire means using 3 gpu's together...
nvidia does not allow mixing and matching of defferent cards of the same series to run together
for eg. u can't sli gtx 580 and gtx 570...for using 2 or more cards in sli u have to have identical cards...

but in amd/ati different cards from same series can be mixed together...
for eg. u can use hd 6970 with hd6990...

now about ur other question

sli means using 2 nvidia gpu's together.

tri sli means using 3 gpu's together.

quad sli means 4 gpu's together or using 2 dual gpu cards together like the gtx 590.

crossfire means using 2 amd cards together.

trifire is short for tri crossfire and means u can use 3 amd gpu's together or use a single dual gpu card with another single gpu card like the hd6970+hd6990 combo.

quadfire is using 4 amd gpu's together or using 2 dual gpu cards together like the hd6990.
post #16 of 52
and about driver issues..its user error most of the time sou cant blame amd for poor drivers...

and i agree tri fire is less tested but it surely performs better than sli gtx 580's..

see this for prrof
http://www.overclock.net/graphics-ca...e-agianst.html

amd trifire wins
and its better bang for buck....
Edited by ghost_z - 8/7/11 at 12:29am
post #17 of 52
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Thanks for all the explaining. Takin me forever to find a forum that would stop to talk to me an not just tell me I'm going over an never reply again...

So just for my own curiosity. I could have 3 6950's for under $800 but 1 6990 costs around 800 alone. then still have to spend 250 or 300 on a 6970 or 6950. Has anybody tested that theory against each other or is there an obvious reason why the 6990 + 70 or 50 is better?
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3x6950's is not in the same league as 3x6970's, 6990+70, or GTX580 SLI. According to benchmark tests out there, 6990+70 is the most powerful combination but it also has a few downsides. Mainly, the 6990 is extremely loud and runs quite hot. Also, running a 6990 "bottlenecks" the 6970 (6970 forced to run at 6990 lower clock speed in Xfire). Also, with rebates and sales now a days, a 6990+70 is going to be more expensive than a GTX580 SLI.

I guess we need some more information as to what you're going to be doing with the PC - gaming, video editing, graphic design? Either set up will push current software to the max, but the 6990+70 will do it a little more so. It's also going to depend on the resolution of the monitors you're planning to buy. If you're doing YYYYx1200, then you'll see more disparity in the benchmarks with the 6990+70 set up. However, if you're running YYYYx1080, then the performance of the GTX580 SLI will be much closer to that of the 6990+70.
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post #19 of 52
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Most of its use will be gaming. I tinker with photoshop an some video editing an stuff. I would also want to try an HTPC stuff with DVR an such. As well as stream my iTunes content either to other computers or to a larger tv i'll have on the wall in my office. I have a 32" samsung 1080p flatscreen that i would like to get 2 more of to have 3 monitors.

Part of what I'm trying to do is simply get it built beyond specs now so that it can last for several years. With the ultimate goal of being able to run the 3 monitors together at full specs on most any game.

I don't totally understand the over clocking an how one card can drag this down an such. At the end of the day I'm going to trust you guys to help me come to a final decision on everything.

You also said that the 6990 is loud an hot? How loud are we talking. i would like it to not make to much noise. and I'm going to build a rather over the top water cooling unit so i don't imagine heat will be an issue
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Most of its use will be gaming. I tinker with photoshop an some video editing an stuff. I would also want to try an HTPC stuff with DVR an such. As well as stream my iTunes content either to other computers or to a larger tv i'll have on the wall in my office. I have a 32" samsung 1080p flatscreen that i would like to get 2 more of to have 3 monitors.

Part of what I'm trying to do is simply get it built beyond specs now so that it can last for several years. With the ultimate goal of being able to run the 3 monitors together at full specs on most any game.

I don't totally understand the over clocking an how one card can drag this down an such. At the end of the day I'm going to trust you guys to help me come to a final decision on everything.

You also said that the 6990 is loud an hot? How loud are we talking. i would like it to not make to much noise. and I'm going to build a rather over the top water cooling unit so i don't imagine heat will be an issue
When you run two or more cards in ATI's Crossfire, they run at the clock speed of the lowest clock-speed card in the Crossfire configuration. Since the 6990 has a core clock of 830Mhz versus the 6970's core clock of 880Mhz, the 6970 will run at 830Mhz if Xfire'd with a 6990. These are the cards stock clocks - even if you overclock both, they will both run at the speed of the lowest card in the configuration.

If you're using three 1920x1080p monitors, your total resolution is 5760x1080. Since you're not running 5760x1200, the performance benefits of the 6990+70 setup aren't going to be fully maximized compared to the GTX580 SLI. If each monitor was 1980x1200, then the 6990+70 would be the clear winner here.

Using this setup is *way* overkill for a HTPC and you'll have plenty of outputs to use it as such. You can also stream content to an Xbox360 or other TV device over a wireless network if you set up Windows Homegroup Sharing or whatever its called.

As for the noise of the 6990, I can't comment as I've never heard/seen one in person. However, according to most reviews of the card, the sound is noticeable. I'm not familiar with water cooling so I can't comment on how much impact that will have on the heat and noise of the card (my assumption is that both would be decreased significantly though).
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