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post #61 of 77
Competition is good for business but pulling all of your games from a competing store is kind of a dick move, understandable but still a dick move.

They could have come to an agreement that only origin will have offers and leave the steam version slightly dearer. That way if people really want it on steam then they pay a few quid more and EA still gain their profit.
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Buy your games for console instead, problem solved douchebags

Anyway, I don't see the problem with origin. And as mentioned earlier:
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When it comes down to it, it's quite annoying when you need to have so many damned portals installed on your PC to play various games like Steam, Ubisofts portal, Origin, GPGNet, Battle.net and so on.

It's just getting f'n annoying to be honest. I think alot of people liked Steam because it helped consolidate everything in one place.
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I find more dl programs on my pc annoying. But my beef is the way EA lies about Steam, waging a pr campaign to trumpet Origin.

To me it's pretty transparent. They had ZERO issues with Steam until they launched Origin. Then all of a sudden they're pulling games due to TOS problems due to vague objections.

I find this to be pretty lame and insulting to our intelligence. I get it ok, you want Steam to look bad and you want your Origin service to beat it out, you don't have to make lame excuses as to why you want your games to be only on Origin.

THATS why I prefer steam, Gabe and Valve are straight up and their attitude is about creating value for the gamer. Origin doesn't add any value, it simply duplicates steams features. EA sees the steam money and wants that pie for themselves. Nothing new there but please don't lie to us.

If EA said "digital downloading is the future and we're launching our own service to be involved in that. Our published games are going to be on this service and not Steam because we believe we can provide a superior service. We want the opportunity to show that to the gamer and we think he will be happy with what we can provide over the competition." That I might buy or at least appreciate the genuine effort. Convince me why I want to use Origin, don't make excuses for pulling stuff away from steam.
Edited by mothrpe - 8/18/11 at 8:51am
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I find more dl programs on my pc annoying. But my beef is the way EA lies about Steam, waging a pr campaign to trumpet Origin.

To me it's pretty transparent. They had ZERO issues with Steam until they launched Origin. Then all of a sudden they're pulling games due to TOS problems due to vague objections.

I find this to be pretty lame and insulting to our intelligence. I get it ok, you want Steam to look bad and you want your Origin service to beat it out, you don't have to make lame excuses as to why you want your games to be only on Origin.

THATS why I prefer steam, Gabe and Valve are straight up and their attitude is about creating value for the gamer. Origin doesn't add any value, it simply duplicates steams features. EA sees the steam money and wants that pie for themselves. Nothing new there but please don't lie to us.

If EA said "digital downloading is the future and we're launching our own service to be involved in that. Our published games are going to be on this service and not Steam because we believe we can provide a superior service. We want the opportunity to show that to the gamer and we think he will be happy with what we can provide over the competition." That I might buy or at least appreciate the genuine effort. Convince me why I want to use Origin, don't make excuses for pulling stuff away from steam.
The main issue that EA has with Steam, is that they want to sell their DLC internally. Garnering 100% of the profits from the sale.
Steam's system is set up, so you pay for the DLC separately, and it is added onto your game license from there. They can take a percentage of the profits, but they can also offer sales and other discounts to the consumers as well.
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post #65 of 77
I don't support EA and Origin. I'm all for having competition, but the fact that they've pulled all their games from Steam is rediculous. They could have come to an agreement, if they weren't so darn greedy.

And the fact that I don't trust EA with my game licenses, yeah no. I paid for Metro2033, and EA lost my license. I even still had my emails, and they told me, "Sorry, buy the game again" (in so many words). I don't support a company with that kind of attitude.

So I say they're hurting PC Gaming moreso than helping.
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Was it not Valve who pulled the games, as EA wouldnt/wont comply with their rules on providing patches and DLC
    
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The main issue that EA has with Steam, is that they want to sell their DLC internally. Garnering 100% of the profits from the sale.
Steam's system is set up, so you pay for the DLC separately, and it is added onto your game license from there. They can take a percentage of the profits, but they can also offer sales and other discounts to the consumers as well.
Not without the publisher's permission they can't. Steam isn't like a retail store where you can drop the price on a game to 2 dollars if you want it off the shelves, they need permission from the publisher/developer to change the prices on an item.

There is literally no reason for BF3 to release its dlc on steam. It has no need to. Think about it from EA's perspective? Why would you waste dev time and money designing your game to be able to sell things internally only to cave and allow valve to take some of your money when there is no reason you have to let them do it?
    
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post #68 of 77
Competition = good.
More programs in my taskbar taking up resources = annoying.
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Not without the publisher's permission they can't. Steam isn't like a retail store where you can drop the price on a game to 2 dollars if you want it off the shelves, they need permission from the publisher/developer to change the prices on an item.

There is literally no reason for BF3 to release its dlc on steam. It has no need to. Think about it from EA's perspective? Why would you waste dev time and money designing your game to be able to sell things internally only to cave and allow valve to take some of your money when there is no reason you have to let them do it?
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That is another reason why companies make DLC because even retail stores dont get a cut when it comes to dlc, I dont see why valve should get a cut when EA has already set up an internal store. Sounds more like valve's greed than EA, however EA's is not that much better.

Also how the hell is EA ruining PC gaming, BF3 looks to be the first game in a long time complete with PC features, something imo valve hasn't managed to do since HL2. They are also developing the most expensive MMO to date which is a PC exclusive, however we dont know if it will be good or not yet. People need to understand steam =/= pc gaming
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I usually LOVE competition, since it keeps prices down and greed at bay. But steam has fair prices and have done me no wrong. I dont think they are greedy, the operate just like newegg does. If they mess up youll be sure to get a refund and maybe even a bonus, so i wish all games were on steam, at least until steam starts abusing its position.
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