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im sick of people saying you need an ssd or a raid setup,all you need to do is set it to half size,and tell it to save the videos to an external hard drive or a secondary drive and it should run butter smooth,it does for me and everyone i know.
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Hmmmm, I have to say probably your graphic card.
I got only two HDDs, one with OS and games, and the other for fraps and storage.
I easily get 60fps at 1080p while recording with fraps.
     
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Originally Posted by TehStranger?;14494407 
im sick of people saying you need an ssd or a raid setup,all you need to do is set it to half size,and tell it to save the videos to an external hard drive or a secondary drive and it should run butter smooth,it does for me and everyone i know.

Have size produces half the resolution, so 960x540. That's an awfully low resolution (coming from 1080p).

If he wants to record in full size, he needs a RAID setup and a better GPU so he can hold 60 FPS while recording.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;14494447 
Have size produces half the resolution, so 960x540. That's an awfully low resolution (coming from 1080p).

If he wants to record in full size, he needs a RAID setup and a better GPU so he can hold 60 FPS while recording.

i record in half size and cant see a difference when watching the video even in fullscreen
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Originally Posted by scotty453;14494294 
hmmm, i wonder, you should if your budget allows at least get a 6850 or 6870 for recording, i don't think those 4850's are fast enough now for all these new games XD

and to not be biased, a gtx 460 should be fine too... my friend has one, he says it's amazing and i heard it's better than my 5770.

i initially owned a Galaxy GTX 460 GC 768MB but i sold it because it is way too loud on load, i cannot play GTA 4 maxxed out because not enough memory, and i have very bad stuttering at Dirt 3 even though my FPS is very high

then i sold my entire system

i initially planed to upgrade to a GTX 480 but i decided that i would get a lesser card and instead upgrade to a sandy bridge first


then i plan of getting a GTX 285 but that didn't happen, then i plan on getting an HD 5870 but that also didn't happen so now i am stuck with 2 aftermarket coolers:(
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i decided to go with an hd 4850 because based on reviews it would be fairly adequate for my gaming needs right now and it did serve me well
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but recently i got into doing some gameplay recordings and now my system is not sufficient and i need to do something to sort the issue out


right now i can only afford to get either another hdd or a second hd 4850


im still saving up so i can get a $300 28nm GPU's or an GTX 480 if the performance or features is not significantly better in the future

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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;14494311 
I'd say do a RAID0 with those Seagate drives, and try to upgrade into a stronger single GPU setup. Crossfire 4850's didn't really scale all that well sadly, and those cards are now 2 generations old, almost 3.

Not to mention, your power supply won't handle crossfired 4850's anyway.

i did some research on the internet and i found out that a 4850 crossfire could see a gain of 30-90%

so i am thinking right now if i am getting about 28-34FPS while recording in fraps

assuming its the gpu that is the bottleneck, a crossfire could hopefully get me into above 39-50+FPS which is a smooth and playable experience


i am also fairly confident that my psu is more than capable to handle crossfire

an hd 4850 in crossfire consumes about 3XXw under load
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in contrast a GTX 295 consumed about 4XX+ under load
the maximum possible power consumption that i found is a GTX 295 + i7 920 under FURMARK and Prime 95 consumes about 502w which is impossible to have that kind of load in real world scenario
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when i was on the market for a budget psu, i did some pretty hardcore research and i found out the truth about power consumption and how to choose the right power supply
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cases/display/system-wattage.html
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKk2_1u26tg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKk2_1u26tg[/ame]

my psu is 80plus and can handle and overload of about 5XX+w(it has virtually the same internal as the 600w based on UL number on the psu)
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/OCZ-StealthXStream-2-600-W-Power-Supply-Review/1058/8



it could run a GTX 480 but it would be near the max of my psu so i am also planning to get a seasonic in the future but for now my psu is more than enough for a HD 4850 crossfire




i searched around the internet and found no concrete answers on which component(CPU,RAM,HDD,VGA) is FRAPS hugely taxxing on system performance
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Your primary bottleneck is using FRAPS first, and your video card second. If you cannot maintain a minimum frame rate higher than 60fps before recording with FRAPs, then forget trying to record at all without reducing some graphical settings

FRAPS once was the best option to the point where it was the only option I'd consider for high quality recordings, and while beepa has finally started to improve things on a fairly regular basis, FRAPS has always been (and still is) absolutely terrible when it comes recording live game play (even with massive sacrifices in IQ)

I recommend trying out MSI Afterburner (get the latest Beta version, atm its v2.2 beta 5) for recording live game play. It is hands down the best recording app I have yet to use when it comes recording live game play and really puts FRAPS to shame in that regard - I can expect a 10-20% performance hit while using Afterburner to record, and while that might not sound ideal its certainly far more acceptable than having FRAPs fractionalize game performance. Only problem is that its still a bit buggy since its a newer feature, I haven't had much luck getting a quality 60fps recording (and it can't be a CPU/GPU/HDD bottle neck as I've tried to record to a 4x 1TB F3 RAID0), but it will do 30fps just fine (keep in mind my in-game framerates are still usually above 100fps regardless of which frame rate I'm trying to record at)

If you have trouble setting up and getting it running you might find this video useful:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv4YsBkz0gU[/ame]

Other than that your CPU is certainly powerful enough and your 500GB HDD should be fast enough if you'd be content with 30fps video captures (which is the standard frame rate for the vast majority of online videos), although a RAID0 setup would certainly help removing that recording source bottleneck for certain.

Considering everything else its clear that your video card is the weak point in your hardware, a 4850 is bound to be a severe bottleneck on modern games at higher resolutions (especially if its a 512MB model, something Crossfire certainly wouldn't help with as the frame buffer will still be a bottleneck with 2xGPUs)
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Originally Posted by TehStranger?;14494407 
im sick of people saying you need an ssd or a raid setup,all you need to do is set it to half size,and tell it to save the videos to an external hard drive or a secondary drive and it should run butter smooth,it does for me and everyone i know.

if you're recording @ 1080p60, a single HDD isn't going to cut it

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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;14494447 
Have size produces half the resolution, so 960x540. That's an awfully low resolution (coming from 1080p).

If he wants to record in full size, he needs a RAID setup and a better GPU so he can hold 60 FPS while recording.

technically its a quarter the resolution tongue.gif which is also why many feel its simply not acceptable for those who might want to capture HUD details or in-game chat which might be garbled enough in the frame size reduction and video compression to be illegible once its posted online

720p is closer to half 1080p and is something I would actually suggest the OP might try to run his game at while recording
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Originally Posted by bojinglebells;14494741 
technically its a quarter the resolution tongue.gif which is also why many feel its simply not acceptable for those who might want to capture HUD details or in-game chat which might be garbled enough in the frame size reduction and video compression to be illegible once its posted online

720p is closer to half 1080p and is something I would actually suggest the OP might try to run his game at while recording

All my youtube uploads are done with fraps using half size...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FI0vtelHUo[/ame]

My upload isn't fast enough for these file sizes, even using half size capture after conversion... The 5:30 second "End of Crysis 2" video I did was over 900MB in size.
    
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Strange, i never had such problems and i got only 1HDD.
Besides 900MB is fine, very fine. I don`t care about huge filesizes.
These recorded files are "raw" input and you should anyway edit them with video_editing software.
It would make no sense to me to record in fraps and upload these "raw" files.
No-one wants to see unedited videos/captures.
But i shouldn`t post anything atm. Too tired . Maybe i got all this wrong. Please forgive me frown.gif
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What program do you guys use to reduce the file size of the video file after it is recorded? What program gives the best video compression while still keeping as much of the quality as possible?
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Anything you like. Virtual dub, Super, MGUI.
Best would be to work with the uncomressed files in your videoediting software but that fraps codec is a bit finicky biggrin.gif
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