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And the fact that you can tell Steam NOT to update the games. Face it, he knew the nerf was coming, it was supposed to happen before the Captain Scarlet dlc came out, had plenty of time to change the setting in Steam so that it didn't update. The argument that we're "bowing down tot he labcoats" is just hilarious, as he's obviously been bowing down to The Bee. Besides, he admitted to using Cheat Engine to have fun, well guess what, using that you can get the same effect as The Bee, you can get legendaries with every spin of the slots, infinite gold keys, faster movement, higher jumping, etc etc etc, and yet this has ruined the game... FFS, seriously?
EDIT: Wow.... to make matters even worse, he just removed me from his Steam friends list for disagreeing with him about this... Alright, my point of him needing to take a step back from gaming and chill out just got solidified even more. For someone with Sterling Archer (great freakin show btw) as his avatar, he really can't take disagreement I guess.
Anyway, back to the BL2 topic... I want me some Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage!

You have obviously never tried to tell Steam not to update games, as it is pretty well-known that it does not work, especially if the game checks for updates when it loads. Generally it gives you an error message about an update being required.

Also, can you really blame him for removing you from his friends list? He expressed disgust at having developers force their "improvements" on him, and everyone here basically called him a child and out-of-grips with reality.

I certainly wouldn't want a friend like you.
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Wow, this entire thread got unfriendly fast. You know what I find funny? That you are all sitting there imagining him raging in your minds, as if he's that angry German kid or something. It sounds to me as if he's merely fed up with having things pulled out from underneath his feet. Did he say that the entire game sucks, and no one should ever play it again? No! He said that he's done with the game now, and as he's at the end-game content (where the Bee was crucial), that's completely understandable. I'll tell you what, seeing as how there is about a 1% chance of getting the Bee, the Infinity, Conference Call, or any other useful end-game legendary in a single playthrough, try to beat Hyperius without any of the aforementioned equipment. I'll give you a little hint, you absolutely 100% will NEVER be able to do it. Even Terramorphous would be a brutal challenge.
Why would the programmers make the raid bosses (the only end-game material, btw) so ridiculously tough that you literally can't beat them without legendary equipment, then not only nerf said equipment, but also insult players who would rather skip the tedious 30-hour grind in order to get them (no guarantee you'll get the element you need, or the equipment level either). I'm not talking about leveling up your character as you search. I'm talking about no exp gain, no useful monetary gain, no nothing. Simply try and try and try and try again, until you finally succeed and get the one and ONLY thing you've been searching for. Who's idea of fun is that?
It's definitely a person's choice to grind for that equipment in order to beat the end-game bosses, but you know what else is a person's choice? Not to do the grind, and to quit in annoyance. I guess that's insult-worthy to you guys though.

no im not imagining him mega raged like some german person. germans are very friendly not sure why you think they are all angry or something. i imagine him as someone that has never left his computer in 300+ hours because he doesnt realize there is more to life than playing video games.

i understand the seriousness of what you have posted but video games are for fun for everyone not to make a few people that are willing to commit that many hours in such a short time happy. hence why some of us think those that are upset are being silly.
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Wow, this entire thread got unfriendly fast. You know what I find funny? That you are all sitting there imagining him raging in your minds, as if he's that angry German kid or something. It sounds to me as if he's merely fed up with having things pulled out from underneath his feet. Did he say that the entire game sucks, and no one should ever play it again? No! He said that he's done with the game now, and as he's at the end-game content (where the Bee was crucial), that's completely understandable. I'll tell you what, seeing as how there is about a 1% chance of getting the Bee, the Infinity, Conference Call, or any other useful end-game legendary in a single playthrough, try to beat Hyperius without any of the aforementioned equipment. I'll give you a little hint, you absolutely 100% will NEVER be able to do it. Even Terramorphous would be a brutal challenge.
Why would the programmers make the raid bosses (the only end-game material, btw) so ridiculously tough that you literally can't beat them without legendary equipment, then not only nerf said equipment, but also insult players who would rather skip the tedious 30-hour grind in order to get them (no guarantee you'll get the element you need, or the equipment level either). I'm not talking about leveling up your character as you search. I'm talking about no exp gain, no useful monetary gain, no nothing. Simply try and try and try and try again, until you finally succeed and get the one and ONLY thing you've been searching for. Who's idea of fun is that?
It's definitely a person's choice to grind for that equipment in order to beat the end-game bosses, but you know what else is a person's choice? Not to do the grind, and to quit in annoyance. I guess that's insult-worthy to you guys though.

No, what's insult worthy is his knee-jerk reaction to this nerf. The fact of the matter is, nothing else has been nerfed except the Bee, and guess what, there are other ways to get legendaries as I've pointed out, specifically because he stated he uses Cheat Engine. You can beat Hyperius legitly without the Bee, and infact, to beat him legitly, you SHOULDN'T use the Bee, as it's effect ONLY happens when you're at full shields and in that fight, you'll rarely be at full shields. Stop making excuses, please. The raid bosses are designed for 4 max level players in a good balanced party, not for one person to exploit with the Bee and the explosive reload.

The fact is, he's throwing away the 300 hours of fun he had with the game and saying he's "glad he only paid $60" because they nerfed one item. What we're saying, with all seriousness, is that if this simple nerf is causing him to rage this much, he REALLY needs to take a breather from gaming, because this type of thing happens ALL the time in games.
 
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You have obviously never tried to tell Steam not to update games, as it is pretty well-known that it does not work, especially if the game checks for updates when it loads. Generally it gives you an error message about an update being required.
Also, can you really blame him for removing you from his friends list? He expressed disgust at having developers force their "improvements" on him, and everyone here basically called him a child and out-of-grips with reality.
I certainly wouldn't want a friend like you.

The feeling is mutual, as I'd rather not be friends with someone who would give up a game they were clearly having fun with because one thing got changed. And you know what else, your point of the update thing not working, is NOT an issue with Steam, if the GAME is checking for updates and requires them, that's the game, not Steam, wake up. But in all seriousness, I don't have any personal problems with him, I just find his rage over the nerf to be comical and unfounded. Not something to end a friendship, but it's the internet, internet friends come and go. I have arguments like this with my best friend in the real world all the time, and yet we've been friends for 15 years.

The problem I have with his rage about the nerf is the fact that he's complaining about it, while fully admitting to using Cheat Engine. The fact is, the Bee was totally overpowered and everyone knew it, but if you get this mad over it being nerfed, yet openly use CE, why the problem, turn on god mode and infinite ammo and go farm legendaries. The Bee + CC + hiding where the bosses can't hit you was basically god mode anyway...
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this type of thing happens ALL the time in games.

No offense, but that is the dumbest argument ever. How does the fact that something happens often make it at ALL ok? Plenty of horrific things happen more than often.

His decision to not support the company further is the only way he can ever express that he doesn't agree with their decisions, and you all find that worthy of ridicule?

If his reaction is honestly your definition of raging, then I'm afraid you don't know what rage is. His reaction is more akin to throwing his hands in the air, and walking away disgusted.

Before I got involved, this entire thread (the last few pages anyway) read closer to a group of fanboys zealously defending their beloved company against a naysayer than anything else.

How can you seriously sit there and defend Gearbox's behavior? Don't give me "it happens all the time" or "it's in the license agreement HE agreed to." Those license agreements are boiler-plate legal nonsense, and companies make you agree to them all the time, while still letting you enjoy the game the way you want to. It's not like the Bee being overpowered ruined anyone ELSE'S fun, either.
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Lol.

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No offense, but that is the dumbest argument ever. How does the fact that something happens often make it at ALL ok? Plenty of horrific things happen more than often.
His decision to not support the company further is the only way he can ever express that he doesn't agree with their decisions, and you all find that worthy of ridicule?
If his reaction is honestly your definition of raging, then I'm afraid you don't know what rage is. His reaction is more akin to throwing his hands in the air, and walking away disgusted.
Before I got involved, this entire thread (the last few pages anyway) read closer to a group of fanboys zealously defending their beloved company against a naysayer than anything else.
How can you seriously sit there and defend Gearbox's behavior? Don't give me "it happens all the time" or "it's in the license agreement HE agreed to." Those license agreements are boiler-plate legal nonsense, and companies make you agree to them all the time, while still letting you enjoy the game the way you want to. It's not like the Bee being overpowered ruined anyone ELSE'S fun, either.

I never said I agreed with the nerf, but the difference is, it being nerfed doesn't ruin my fun of the game. The fact that 1 item getting nerfed made him quit playing the game all together and no longer support Gearbox all together is what I find funny, and is clearly a sign of rage. The fact that he RELIED on that item to have fun is sad to me.
 
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I never said I agreed with the nerf, but the difference is, it being nerfed doesn't ruin my fun of the game. The fact that 1 item getting nerfed made him quit playing the game all together and no longer support Gearbox all together is what I find funny, and is clearly a sign of rage. The fact that he RELIED on that item to have fun is sad to me.

Are you forgetting that he was expressing distaste at Randy's insulting comments towards people who dupe? While there may be plenty of people who have 20 hours to waste in order to receive 2-3 items that help them make an already disgustingly difficult endgame marginally less difficult, there are also plenty of other people who would rather just play the game.

Insulting players who do that (and nerfing the bee) is basically the developer's way of saying "No! Bad player! You're wrong for doing it that way! Do it the way I told you!"

You're fooling yourself if you think that zinfinion is even CLOSE to the only person upset about this. Gearbox has negatively affected thousands and thousands of players' enjoyment of the endgame material, while Randy's comment was an insult directed at a a large portion of his endgame fanbase.

While in the grand scheme of things, this is the tiniest of tiny issues, it also points out one glaring detail: They (Gearbox) will change the game as they will, and no one is allowed to have any say in the matter. How is that acceptable?

You know, I faced this exact same ridicule when I boycotted Diablo 3 upon hearing the always-online requirement. Sure it's a small issue, but it's indicative of an overall management attitude that I refuse to support.
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Are you forgetting that he was expressing distaste at Randy's insulting comments towards people who dupe? While there may be plenty of people who have 20 hours to waste in order to receive 2-3 items that help them make an already disgustingly difficult endgame marginally less difficult, there are also plenty of other people who would rather just play the game.
Insulting players who do that (and nerfing the bee) is basically the developer's way of saying "No! Bad player! You're wrong for doing it that way! Do it the way I told you!"
You're fooling yourself if you think that zinfinion is even CLOSE to the only person upset about this. Gearbox has negatively affected thousands and thousands of players' enjoyment of the endgame material, while Randy's comment was an insult directed at a a large portion of his endgame fanbase.
While in the grand scheme of things, this is the tiniest of tiny issues, it also points out one glaring detail: They (Gearbox) will change the game as they will, and no one is allowed to have any say in the matter. How is that acceptable?
You know, I faced this exact same ridicule when I boycotted Diablo 3 upon hearing the always-online requirement. Sure it's a small issue, but it's indicative of an overall management attitude that I refuse to support.

while i have not read everything on twitter some of randy's comments are directed towards people so enraged they made threats towards gearbox. that is where this started and why some of us think people are taking it too hard.
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while i have not read everything on twitter some of randy's comments are directed towards people so enraged they made threats towards gearbox. that is where this started and why some of us think people are taking it too hard.

What about his tweets saying that the Bee wasn't nerfed enough, and if you disagree, you must like broken games.

Then when someone replied "way to alienate your paying customers," Randy's reply was "most people are cool, but some are dick headed."

In one fell-swoop, he called anyone upset by the nerf a ******** who enjoys broken games.

That man does not deserve my money.
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