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Originally Posted by Gizmodo
Who needs a "a hostile, organized campaign" to hamper Android? Google's own internal documents, now seemingly pivotal in its intellectual property court case with Oracle, are doing the job quite well already.

One such document, referred to as the "Lindholm Draft" after the engineer who created it, reads:

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"What we've actually been asked to do (by Larry [Page] and Sergey [Brin]) is to investigate what technical alternatives exist to Java for Android and Chrome. We've been over a bunch of these, and think they all suck. We conclude that we need to negotiate a license for Java under the terms we need."
It was written last year and has taken on a tone of great importance for Judge Alsup, who commented in an earlier hearing that an accomplished lawyer would need only that document "and the Magna Carta" to win the case and prove "willful infringement." What's that mean? Well, not only would it make the whole "everyone is out to get us with patents" argument Google made the other day completely laughable, it would also mean tripling the already steep billion-dollar-plus damages demanded by Oracle.
http://gizmodo.com/5828457/brash-and...tly-for-google

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Back in 2005, well before Android was released, Rubin wrote, "If Sun doesn't want to work with us, we have two options: 1) Abandon our work and adopt MSFT CLR VM and C# language - or - 2) Do Java anyway and defend our decision, perhaps making enemies along the way."

Regarding that email, Mueller noted that the judge overseeing the case observed, "Google may have simply been brazen, preferring to roll the dice on possible litigation rather than to pay a fair price [to license Java]."

Rubin's email suggests that the Android group was fully aware that it had already invested a lot of work into its Java-related platform, too much so to shift to the adoption of Microsoft's alternative language and runtime.

However, Google also rejected a deal with Sun to pay for Java licensing, and Rubin's comments make it clear that the company planned to just keep going and see what would happen, inviting "enemies," and, presumably, their legal response.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...cles_java.html



Gonna be an open/shut case. It's only a matter of time before handset makes abandon Android in favor of WP7, WebOS and other proprietary OS's because of all this nonsense. Android is going to be too costly to continue supporting in the long term.
Edited by ForumViewer - 8/7/11 at 3:39pm
 
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There is also a blog post by the former CEO of Sun that discusses Google's use of Java, (see here). The case isn't simply open and shut as there seems to evidence both sides can use.
 
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Lately it seems that suing only amounts to getting the same exact money as if they had licensed in the first place so I can see why they didn't bother with licensing as there's a chance they can get away with it for free.
Their "everyone is out to get us" whine is definitely non-sense but I'd hate to see this make them close up their Android line. Android is extremely beneficial to everyone even if you don't use it yourself.
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Lately it seems that suing only amounts to getting the same exact money as if they had licensed in the first place so I can see why they didn't bother with licensing as there's a chance they can get away with it for free.
Except that in this case, if Google willfully knew they were doing something wrong and did it anyway, the fine could be way more.

And this is part of the problem with all the patent suits going on. No major company checks up on patents when they build something new. They play the "oops, we didn't check" card. Because if they did check, and did it anyway without a proper license, the penalties are extreme. It's much cheaper to play ignorant. Except here in Google's case, it's come to bite them in the rear.
 
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I hope google dont get away with this its bad enough that they know everything about everyone the last thing we need is for them to think they are above the law.

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Except that in this case, if Google willfully knew they were doing something wrong and did it anyway, the fine could be way more.

And this is part of the problem with all the patent suits going on. No major company checks up on patents when they build something new. They play the "oops, we didn't check" card. Because if they did check, and did it anyway without a proper license, the penalties are extreme. It's much cheaper to play ignorant. Except here in Google's case, it's come to bite them in the rear.
Thats weird becuase im pretty sure for every other area of law it doesnt matter how ignorant you are or weather you intended to offend you still have the full penalties. I mean how can you prove you are ignorant ?
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I hope google dont get away with this its bad enough that they know everything about everyone the last thing we need is for them to think they are above the law.



Thats weird becuase im pretty sure for every other area of law it doesnt matter how ignorant you are or weather you intended to offend you still have the full penalties. I mean how can you prove you are ignorant ?
1st degree murder vs. Manslaughter :/
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1st degree murder vs. Manslaughter :/
not quite the same thing... manslaughter is when it was an accident. Google didnt accidently use Java. A more fitting analogy would be:
"we attacked him but didnt know it would kill him" is murder
"oh I didnt realise I was attacking him" is manslaughter
Edited by cdesewell - 8/9/11 at 9:34am
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Google deserves to be taken down a notch. They created this open source OS, just so 3rd parties can use it with their devices and Google would be free from punishment; impunity. Just look at the HTC v. Apple case; the Microsoft v. HTC case.

Its laughable that Google is heralded as being the champions of open-source yet their search algorithm is more esoteric than the Windows kernel.

I just think its pathetic how Google is accusing Microsoft and others of being anti-competitive with regards to purchasing Novell patents when Microsoft offered to big along side Google.

The only reason Google declined was because it would have made for an even closer marriage to their very own creation that they seem to want nothing to do with.

It was purely a liability decision on their part and now they're crying because of missed opportunity.

This cocksure email only solidifies my feelings towards the praise that Google gets: I feel it's unwarranted, at least relative to other tech giants.
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and i'll keep using android......

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I will wait till the case is over with and all facts have been laid bare before I make any judgements.

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