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Right, but this will open up the market for nVidia... When people have a processor with a low end card and need to upgrade the low end card because it died or something... AMD no longer gets a piece of that pie.
With the integration of graphics cores into the CPU on both Intel and AMD processors, I hardly think nvidia is going to see this as some awesome "cornering" of the market, since the market will essentially cease to exist altogether.

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Those low end cards gotta be pretty much pure profit. Not an ounce of new technology to em. Shoot, they can probably build those things in their sleep by now.
I always thought it was the other way around--low-end cards are more of a pain than anything to develop and market. Low-end discrete graphics cards probably cost more to develop, fabricate, and sell vs. their retail price/value on a card-by-card basis as opposed to high-end cards. I would think that the profit margin increases as you go up the performance chain as opposed to down it. The base technology has already been derived, whether it's for uber-high-performance cards, or super-low-end ones (to an extent). Once you've worked out the architecture, it's quite cheap and simple to stack on more cores when more performance is needed and mark up the price, and it doesn't really cost you much more than the raw materials for fabrication.
    
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I guess integrated graphics are the norm now with Intel's HD Graphics, AMD's APU, and nVidia's low end cards now.
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I don't mind as long as there'll be enough low end graphics cards still in stores or on craigslist to fill in for older low end systems that can't playback HD.
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I think this is a good move for AMD. Nvidia isn't in a position to be pairing CPUs with their GPUs anyway, that's up to the vendor to decide. They don't produce integrated graphics anymore either, so their profits depend almost exclusively on vendors deciding to add in a discrete card.

Adding in a discrete card is a small niche in the market, aimed at PC gamers. Now Nvidia is going to have to price their cards low enough so they can compete with the Fusion systems. So Nvidia will be selling their products in a part of a part of a part of the PC market.

AMD is going to take the entire market by the balls with this move, and Nvidia can't compete on price/performance or power consumption. All they will be left with to compete with are the high-end cards and Quadros.
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All they will be left with to compete with are the high-end cards and Quadros.
Which they fail at.

Three 6950s unlocked to 6970s and a GT 520 for PhysX (yeah I guess I shouldn't be counting this because NVIDIA makes it lol) costs as much as two 580s.

Workstation cards... there's still some competition there.
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No one really buys low end gpus for offices because most boards have onboard already
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I don't mind as long as there'll be enough low end graphics cards still in stores or on craigslist to fill in for older low end systems that can't playback HD.
Systems with IE6, AGP, and WinXP are immortal.
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Not really.... Both Intel and AMD IGP are basically "good enough" now for most tasks. If a user wanted to game or a GPGPU, they would not look at the lowest level cards. NVIDIA has been fully aware of the impending death of the entry GPU market for years.

The entry level cards do make up a large bulk of sale volume but the margins on them are much smaller. i.e. It might cost them $20 to make a $30 card and $150 to make a $500 card.
This.

Prior to the Intel 2000 and 3000 graphics in Sandy Bridge a low end GPU from AMD was a must because for HTPC's only AMD's low end GPU could handle Blu-ray tasks and do full Bitstreams for the HD codecs: Dolby True HD and DTS MA. Now that AMD's Fusion and Intel's Sandy Bridge has taken over these tasks there's really no need for a low end GPU anymore.

Nvidia's low end cards finally Bitstream audio and have HDMI 1.4a. It took them a while though.

Now the perfect HTPC setup would be a low end SB chip with an H series board. Zotac makes a great one with WiFi and WiFi Direct that's killer.
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Now the perfect HTPC setup would be a low end SB chip with an H series board. Zotac makes a great one with WiFi and WiFi Direct that's killer.
I believe the HD Graphics 2000 image quality is not as good as NVIDIA or ATI IQ.

Also, Intel stupidly decided to keep the HD Graphics 3000 only on high-end CPUs.... where they would most likely be not used since those users probably have discrete graphics.
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Hooray!
To be expected. Who'd buy a lower end graphics card for office apps? Also, i bet the APU would cost less than CPU+GPU.
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