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That's way too much when I can get a PERC 5/i for $95. 12 ports would be nice, but I'll never use it. And like I already said, RAID6 is overkill for my redundancy needs, and underkill for my speed needs. Thanks for the suggestion anyhow though.
Suit yourself. You can lose your whole array in the middle of a rebuild with RAID5.
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Suit yourself. You can lose your whole array in the middle of a rebuild with RAID5.
I think he'd made his mind up before he came here, and isn't interested in getting advice from people who actually know what they're talking about. Shame - I wasted a couple of minutes in this thread.
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Personally looking at your System Specs running Server 2K8 and what your saying regarding data throughput, I'd say it's about time for an upgrade to a purpose built server. I reckon you'll get better performance on a lower spec server than with your system.

Xenon Processors, Reliable SCSI disks arrays for performance ans SATA arrays for storage, Purpose Built Integrated RAID controllers and backplanes, ECC memory, Redundant Power/Network etc etc Also, better scope and support for virtualisation so you can implement more redundancy and reduce down time if there is an issue.

You are worried about your data storage, but what happens if your PSU dies? Doesn't matter where your data is then if you can't access it! How important is data availability to you?
Depends on what your data actually consists of....... of course, but you haven't stipulated that in your posts.

You could even consider Server Hosting services, where your guarnateed data integrity and availability, but of course you have to pay for it!
     
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Personally looking at your System Specs running Server 2K8 and what your saying regarding data throughput, I'd say it's about time for an upgrade to a purpose built server. I reckon you'll get better performance on a lower spec server than with your system.

Xenon Processors, Reliable SCSI disks arrays for performance ans SATA arrays for storage, Purpose Built Integrated RAID controllers and backplanes, ECC memory, Redundant Power/Network etc etc Also, better scope and support for virtualisation so you can implement more redundancy and reduce down time if there is an issue.

You are worried about your data storage, but what happens if your PSU dies? Doesn't matter where your data is then if you can't access it! How important is data availability to you?
Depends on what your data actually consists of....... of course, but you haven't stipulated that in your posts.

You could even consider Server Hosting services, where your guarnateed data integrity and availability, but of course you have to pay for it!
If the guy is balking at 300 dollars for an Areca 1230, do you think even more enterprise gear is gonna float?


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I think he'd made his mind up before he came here, and isn't interested in getting advice from people who actually know what they're talking about. Shame - I wasted a couple of minutes in this thread.
Yea. He won't get it till one day his array goes poof, and he's spending the next 2 weeks trying to get reconstructor to rebuild it from scraps.
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If the guy is balking at 300 dollars for an Areca 1230, do you think even more enterprise gear is gonna float?
Actually, if you look at his sytem specs he could re-invest. I'm not saying to go all out enterprise.
But you can get a used server for a good price, it doesn't need to be the latest and greatest. You can get an HP DL380 G4/5 for about $350 with scsi disks and an SATA MSA for about $500.

With an array like this you get additional disks further down the line and include them into the LUN/Array easily with no need to migrate data or have power down.

Like I said he hasn't stipulated what the data on his server is or whether he is providing services to others, just giving extra options.
     
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Oh SgtSpike, btw I reinstalled my RAID management software. It works great, I dunno what I did last time that I couldn't get it to work but it's working perfectly fine inside of winders.
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So much hate... I think you all don't understand what is important for my setup still.
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If you're talking about your home broadband router, it's not an issue. The GigE switch on the back will localise all LAN traffic, so the only data passing through your router is data that is travelling to/from the Internet.

I'm willing to bet you don't have a 1Gbit/s Internet connection. If you do, you just got yourself a new tenant.
If I have two devices plugged into my router, and they are communicating with each other, they will be using router resources (CPU/RAM). I already have periods of time where my RAM usage is 70%, and this is using an ASUS RT-N16 with 128MB RAM.

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Suit yourself. You can lose your whole array in the middle of a rebuild with RAID5.
So? Then I just rebuild it with the data from the original drives. Like I said, this will just be a backup of already-existing data.

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I think he'd made his mind up before he came here, and isn't interested in getting advice from people who actually know what they're talking about. Shame - I wasted a couple of minutes in this thread.
Ok, let's see what advice I've been given.

Advice: Use RAID6.
My response: No - it is slower, and pointless for me since I don't need that much redundancy.

Advice: Use a NAS.
My response: No - it is slower, and costs more money for no benefit other than keeping the drives out of the case (which is again, pointless for me).

What else did I miss?

I am absolutely interested in getting advice, but not when people are not paying attention to my needs for the project.

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Personally looking at your System Specs running Server 2K8 and what your saying regarding data throughput, I'd say it's about time for an upgrade to a purpose built server. I reckon you'll get better performance on a lower spec server than with your system.

Xenon Processors, Reliable SCSI disks arrays for performance ans SATA arrays for storage, Purpose Built Integrated RAID controllers and backplanes, ECC memory, Redundant Power/Network etc etc Also, better scope and support for virtualisation so you can implement more redundancy and reduce down time if there is an issue.

You are worried about your data storage, but what happens if your PSU dies? Doesn't matter where your data is then if you can't access it! How important is data availability to you?
Depends on what your data actually consists of....... of course, but you haven't stipulated that in your posts.

You could even consider Server Hosting services, where your guarnateed data integrity and availability, but of course you have to pay for it!
I suppose I should have specified - this is just a gameserver. It runs Minecraft, and sometimes a few other games as well. Minecraft is incredibly resource-intensive to run a server though. To rent an equivalent server at a datacenter (or say, Amazon EC2) would cost upwards of $1000/month.

If my PSU dies? I'll grab one of the 6 other PSU's I have around the house and plug it in while I wait for an RMA. 100% uptime isn't important. 98% uptime is.

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If the guy is balking at 300 dollars for an Areca 1230, do you think even more enterprise gear is gonna float?

Yea. He won't get it till one day his array goes poof, and he's spending the next 2 weeks trying to get reconstructor to rebuild it from scraps.
Again, so what? It won't take me 2 weeks to rebuild the array since I already have the data stored elsewhere. This is just a backup. How many times am I going to have to say this?

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Actually, if you look at his sytem specs he could re-invest. I'm not saying to go all out enterprise.
But you can get a used server for a good price, it doesn't need to be the latest and greatest. You can get an HP DL380 G4/5 for about $350 with scsi disks and an SATA MSA for about $500.

With an array like this you get additional disks further down the line and include them into the LUN/Array easily with no need to migrate data or have power down.

Like I said he hasn't stipulated what the data on his server is or whether he is providing services to others, just giving extra options.
Again, it's a minecraft server (as the sig rig title suggests). A used server would perform like crap compared to this beast. I need the i7, and I need the 24GB of ram, and I need the SSD's. I can't imagine I'll find a used server that could compare in specs to what I have now.

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Oh SgtSpike, btw I reinstalled my RAID management software. It works great, I dunno what I did last time that I couldn't get it to work but it's working perfectly fine inside of winders.
Thanks for checking in to that for me.
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If you can't get your hands on a cheap Dell PERC, I'm going to second the cheap host controller again.

If raid 5 isn't fast enough with a host controller, it would be less expensive to buy another 4 port controller, and 4 more drives, and make a 6 or 8 drive RAID 0+1 or 10 than it would be to buy some of the controllers mentioned.
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If you can't get your hands on a cheap Dell PERC, I'm going to second the cheap host controller again.

If raid 5 isn't fast enough with a host controller, it would be less expensive to buy another 4 port controller, and 4 more drives, and make a 6 or 8 drive RAID 0+1 or 10 than it would be to buy some of the controllers mentioned.
Thanks. I did just pick up a PERC 5/i for $95, + the 4x F3 drives @ $49.99/ea, so we'll see how that goes.
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Now you've actually said what you're doing with it, the advice changes. You shouldn't be running RAID5 or RAID6 - you should be on RAID10, since your small write performance will be much better for the same drive investment.

We aren't gonna infer anything from your sig rig title, so if you don't mention the details you won't get the advice you need.

But then I expect you to still run RAID5 anyway...
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