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even if phenom II is old .. so is the core architecture ....

its been refreshed over the years ... that's it ...


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you can't compare different architeture and claim one is better for everything ... one architeture is good for a goal and isnt for others ...

+ different company have different goals ...


so stop looking at the numbers only and look at the bigger picture .. wich is engineering


He is comparing release dates and prices, and yes you can compare different architecture when their release dates are close(same quarter). As for comparing engineering intel blows AMD out of the water new architecture every year no more then one refresh.
    
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He is comparing release dates and prices, and yes you can compare different architecture when their release dates are close(same quarter). As for comparing engineering intel blows AMD out of the water new architecture every year no more then one refresh.
Um.. How is the SandyBridge release date (2011) close to PhIIs release date (2008) ??? This is ridiculous.

In 2011 PhII is old tech. Core2 is old tech. Ph1 is even older tech, so is Core.
(edit: to be more specific, Core and Core2 are released together, in 2006. Core2 is very limited back then, of course. In 2008 are released Phenom1 (march) and PhenomII(december))
SB is new tech, as is the upcoming Buldozer (and the already present Llano).
The fact that 1 CPU is slower than another does NOT (can't stress this enough) mean that its architecture is older.

"AMD uses old architectures" is a.. wrong (not to use heavier wording) statement, making me think that MinitroN just needs to learn more about how the CPU market works before he generalizes again.
Edited by ronnin426850 - 8/12/11 at 3:28pm
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post #14 of 38
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Um.. How is the SandyBridge release date (2011) close to PhIIs release date (2008) ??? This is ridiculous.

In 2011 PhII is old tech. Core2 is old tech. Ph1 is even older tech, so is Core.
(edit: to be more specific, Core and Core2 are released together, in 2006. Core2 is very limited back then, of course. In 2008 are released Phenom1 (march) and PhenomII(december))
SB is new tech, as is the upcoming Buldozer (and the already present Llano).
The fact that 1 CPU is slower than another does NOT (can't stress this enough) mean that its architecture is older.

"AMD uses old architectures" is a.. wrong (not to use heavier wording) statement, making me think that MinitroN just needs to learn more about how the CPU market works before he generalizes again.
You AMD guys... look at the release date of the revisions not the very first phenom 2 ... that is all I can say here before this gets ugly, can't say anything negative about AMD or 20 ppl come and flame it up, all I can say is look at the sigs here then you will know the best hardwares in a hurry .
    
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Wait, so the 3 year old Phenom II architecture isn't old? What the hell is it then?!?

Sorry but this is the worst excuse I've ever seen for why one product is much better than another.

Nice straws you're grasping at. They're pretty.

Is it AMD's business plan to release processors every 3 years and fall further behind Intel? Companies love to lose money, yeah!

But then again you think Fusion will take over the APU market...
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To be EVEN MORE specific, here they are, broken by years:

year; best CPU; passMark score

2004 Athlon 64 FX-55 (November) 686
2004 Pentium 4 570 3.8Ghz (December) 640

2005 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 (August) 753
2005 Pentium 4 670 3.8Ghz (November) *can't find score, difference with 570 is 2Mb cache vs 1Mb*

2006 AMD Athlon 64 FX-74 (November) 1469
2006 Intel Core2 Extreme Q6800 (November) 3656

2007 AMD Phenom X4 9600 (December) 2328
2007 Intel Core2 Extreme X9650 (December) 4621

2008 AMD Phenom x4 9750 (October) 2787
2008 Intel Core i7 965 (November) ) 6812

2009 AMD Phenom II 965(August) 4284
2009 Intel Core i7 975 (June) 7046

2010 AMD Phenom II X6 1100T (December) 6306
2010 Intel Core i7 980X (March) 10615

2011 AMD A8-3850 APU (July) 6217
2011 Intel Core i7-2600K (March) 9897


BOTTOM LINE:

AMD CPUs are slower than Intel CPUs, but both companies release new tech regularly. As you can see, AMD releases new tech almost every year, so saying "AMD is old" wont give you as much rep as saying "AMD is slow".

Hate on that basis from now on.

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Wait, so the 3 year old Phenom II architecture isn't old? What the hell is it then?!?

Sorry but this is the worst excuse I've ever seen for why one product is much better than another.

Nice straws you're grasping at. They're pretty.
Are you an idiot? Don't get offended, I'm just asking.
I plain SAID that PhII is old, but that is not AMD's latest architecture.

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In 2011 PhII is old tech. Core2 is old tech.
SB is new tech, as is the upcoming Buldozer (and the already present Llano).

"AMD uses old architectures" is a.. wrong (not to use heavier wording) statement, making me think that MinitroN just needs to learn more about how the CPU market works before he generalizes again.

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The Phenom II 45nm architecture is 3 years old, Fusion is not replacing the Phenom II (or AMD would be in even more trouble).

It's been 3 years since AMD released a new series of desktop CPUs. So please explain to me how it's not old technology.
    
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The Phenom II 45nm architecture is 3 years old, Fusion is not replacing the Phenom II (or AMD would be in even more trouble).

It's been 3 years since AMD released a new series of desktop CPUs. So please explain to me how it's not old technology.
The six-core 2010 PhenomII is different from the 2009 quad.
Just like the 2011 Core i7 doesn't have much in common with the 2008 Core i7.
Why can't you uderstand that?

I took the time to build you a nice year-by-year list. Go through that carefully before replying yet again.

EDIT: Also, how June 2009 to August 2011 make 3 years??
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Really, do the math. Intel runs the Pentium 4 line for 5 years, AMD runs the Athlon 64 line for 3 years.

Intel runs the Core 2 for 2 years, AMD runs the Phenom1 for 2 years.
Intel runs the Core i for 3 years, AMD runs the PhII for 2 years.

Math says AMD release new tech even more often. Go ahead. Argue math.
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Again, you're trying to say the 45 nm Phenom IIs which are 2+ years old are not old technology when Intel has already released two desktop CPU lineups since AMD released the Phenom II....

You know why the 2008 i7s are much different than the 2011 i7s? Because they're different architectures.

For the most part, a Phenom II 945 is the same as the newest Phenom II, the 980 BE. Their performance is identical on a per clock basis because they're on the same old architecture.

Once again, pretty little straws you're grasping at.
    
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