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Well apparently you already have RHEL so maybe that will work for you. Often however when people say they're not happy with where a distro ventures when it "upgrades", what they mean is that they don't like what happened to the default DE. This actually makes sense since the DE is the interface between you and the OpSys. It's what we see, feel and hear that we get comfortable using and it can take a long time to learn it deeply. I agree that it feels counter-intuitive to essentially throw away all that hard won knowledge.

However I also think that all of computing is still in it's infancy and has a lot of growing pains to endure and in general DEs do get better over time. That said it is possible to keep what you're used to or find one that doesn't change the basic interface very much. Enlightenment comes to mind as one that is lightweight (lighter than any Gnome) but really good looking and has the mindset that "if it ain't broke...". I have use Enlightenment for eleven years as a replacement for the default DE for OS/2 and it is a large part of why I still bother with OS/2 at all.

This illustrates a larger issue though which is since, "under the hood", all Linux is essentially the same, "why can't I have the DE I want?" The answer is that you can. First of all you need a distro that does not tie you to repositories so you can install whatever you want and allow you to easily upgrade the kernel while keeping everything you don't wish to throw out. Example - I have a box that has Slackware v10.2 on it that uses a customized kernel of the version that comes with v13.37. It still has KDE v3.5 on it and works great.

So, all you need is a distro like Arch, Debian or Slack that allows for more and deeper customization including what DE is employed without breaking the base system. That and a little compiling from source and kernel upgrades and you're Golden for a long long time.

Also, it is possible to try lots of DEs on the same system especially if you use XDM, GDM or KDM to login instead of going direct to one Desktop. You can also take a base system like Blackbox and modify it to become "Your DE" and keep that essentially forever.

Basically, if you don't like what they serve at MacDonald's the only solution is NOT just switch to Burger King or Wendy's. Learn to cook.
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I don't think there are any distros that are keeping Gnome 2.6 or will have it for much longer. You can always try the KDE/XFCE/LXDE spins of Fedora. I vote the KDE or LXDE ones. They're both pretty well made.
Agreed, but even better is when you scratch all that and use Openbox... I don't want to change back to LXDE. XFCE, or KDE, like, ever!

Just keep in mind, the distro really does not matter anywhere near as much as so many people think. What makes them different OutOfTheBox are really only 2 things:
1) The DE and
2) preinstalled stuff.

Terminal commands are different in different distros too, but that really does not affect the OS whatsoever.

You like Fed 14? Great! Get Fed 14 again, or Fed 15, and just install what you want, including the DE. Log out, hit the dropdown menu, select the DE you want, Log In, remove the DE and other junk you don't want. In all honesty, the main difference between Fed14 and 15 is the default DE changed, and it was a bad change. GNOME3 is not so hot. But, Fed15 (aka FC15, which I really should be calling it) has a much larger repo, which includes all of the FC14 stuff. Which means, you can have FC15 without any new stuff, if you wanted.

But really, do FC15, install Openbox, log into it, rightclick terminal, su root, yum install tint2. Done. Now you can smile and be happy.
    
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Agreed, but even better is when you scratch all that and use Openbox... I don't want to change back to LXDE. XFCE, or KDE, like, ever!

Just keep in mind, the distro really does not matter anywhere near as much as so many people think. What makes them different OutOfTheBox are really only 2 things:
1) The DE and
2) preinstalled stuff.

Terminal commands are different in different distros too, but that really does not affect the OS whatsoever.

You like Fed 14? Great! Get Fed 14 again, or Fed 15, and just install what you want, including the DE. Log out, hit the dropdown menu, select the DE you want, Log In, remove the DE and other junk you don't want. In all honesty, the main difference between Fed14 and 15 is the default DE changed, and it was a bad change. GNOME3 is not so hot. But, Fed15 (aka FC15, which I really should be calling it) has a much larger repo, which includes all of the FC14 stuff. Which means, you can have FC15 without any new stuff, if you wanted.

But really, do FC15, install Openbox, log into it, rightclick terminal, su root, yum install tint2. Done. Now you can smile and be happy.
just a note, it hasnt been called fedora core for a long time its simply fedora now

think the last version to be called fedora core was 6, everything since has just been fedora

on the subject of fedora i really do value how powerful and nice the distro itself is... BUT i hate yum id much rather use apt than any other package manager, and every time i end up using yum i get annoyed :/ so i cant make myself use fedora... rpm itself isnt exactly bad, i have no problem dealing with rpm packages directly, but yum interacting with the repos and all that stuff just feels slow and i dislike how the commands for it are structured

i guess most of that is just how much i use apt and how used to it i am... lol
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you ever tried to create a rpm? you'd instantly like deb better if you have lol
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I don't think RPM or DEB packaging is that nice.
    
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well thankfully i dont MAKE packages often

but both .deb and .rpm packages are easy to work with... i just think apt > yum

almost considered running fedora just because you can get the quake2 demo in .rpm format xD
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You can make GNOME 3 look more like GNOME 2 by telling it to always run in fallback mode.
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