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I put my bf3 money towards pre-ordering skyrim and Rage on steam. Also picked up the quakecon pack just for good measure.
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post #122 of 174
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Originally Posted by pengs View Post
They most likely will loose some sales but it will probably be the very casual fly-by in the dark players - Steam casuals to add to that so it will probably be very minute.

I would rather have it on Steam but it's not going to stop me from buying it from Origin and adding BF3 into the Steam game list. I just hope it's not wasting more than a few CPU cycles.

It's both of them to fault. Steam for not budging on the policy and EA for being so retaliatory - but then again, most developers have no problem with Steam's policy.
Most developers do not have the resources of EA or are content with selling their consolized games on steam so they dont have to handle it themselves. Why doesnt Blizzard sell its games on steam? because they know that they put it hardwork and polish and have the resources to sell it themselves without letting a third party take a cut. DICE has built this game for the PC in mind and has put it in more time and resources than any other Battlefield game, if they have the resources to create their own service why would they let a third party take a cut, especially since this third party is trying to make them play by their rules.
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post #123 of 174
To be honest, i dont think EA loses much...if anything. If BF3 is as good as it appears its going to be, i promise you people will figure out a way to buy it even if its not through steam. I use steam and wish i had the option to buy it through steam, But im not going to sacrifice playing a good game because i cant get it through steam. Steam is the loser here and if they dont think they are they are sadly mistaken.
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post #124 of 174
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I'm waiting until the last weeks to pre-order. If it's still not on Steam by ~10/15, I'll pre-order a physical copy.
Thats what im going to do too
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post #125 of 174
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I can't wait to see the pictures of all the "boycotters" playing BF3 online lol just like the MW2 boycotters

"OMG I have to download Origin to play this game, I'm so butt hurt! "
Hypothetical situation to make this clearer for anyone who doesn't understand the difference between the two.

Steam is your favourite music shop. You always buy from the same store and have great history, friends and get great prices, most better than any other shop. You're looking at this really nice MW2 guitar so you pick it up and ask the storeowner some about it, he says, "Well man the guitar has this one flaw with the pickups, otherwise it's a really fine piece of work". You give the guitar a whirl and enjoy playing it.

So you take the MW2 guitar over to the counter and pay for it, on the counter you see a flyer for another guitar, the BF3 guitar. Great looking guitar but it's not out yet. The storeowner mentions that he doesn't actually sell it, and you have to drive 30 miles out of town to buy it from the back of a manufacturing depot owned by the people who make the guitar this guitar has proprietory connections and can't be hooked up to any amp, and every time you want to play the guitar you have to drive 30 miles out of town where you have no contact with your friends, so you can play it on their amps.

A bit rough towards the end but you get the point. Steam got there first, it's too late for another DDL client.
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post #126 of 174
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With the alpha trial thus far, Ive not been convinced to start splitting my library, or financially support Origin as a distributor. THe only reason for them to do this is because they know there is potential market, which is great for competition.

All this talk about soft/hard core gamer? lolz Last I saw of hardcore was Quake III for me, for others it was CS 1.6.

I have many other titles Ive still to play, I think ill be fine. I speak for myself of course.
Its an alpha man, the purpose of an alpha is to scan for bugs and imbalances, the alpha was stripped of content, the map played was a 32 player rush map with one vehicle and you think that will be close to what the final game has to offer?
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Hypothetical situation to make this clearer for anyone who doesn't understand the difference between the two.

Steam is your favourite music shop. You always buy from the same store and have great history, friends and get great prices, most better than any other shop. You're looking at this really nice MW2 guitar so you pick it up and ask the storeowner some about it, he says, "Well man the guitar has this one flaw with the pickups, otherwise it's a really fine piece of work". You give the guitar a whirl and enjoy playing it.

So you take the MW2 guitar over to the counter and pay for it, on the counter you see a flyer for another guitar, the BF3 guitar. Great looking guitar but it's not out yet. The storeowner mentions that he doesn't actually sell it, and you have to drive 30 miles out of town to buy it from the back of a manufacturing depot owned by the people who make the guitar this guitar has proprietory connections and can't be hooked up to any amp, and every time you want to play the guitar you have to drive 30 miles out of town where you have no contact with your friends, so you can play it on their amps.

A bit rough towards the end but you get the point. Steam got there first, it's too late for another DDL client.

So the effort of driving 30 miles constantly = to launching a similar steam app once that takes up less than 50mb? Origins can be turned off u know. No offense but you analogy makes little to no sense to the current situation.
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post #128 of 174
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Most developers do not have the resources of EA or are content with selling their consolized games on steam so they dont have to handle it themselves. Why doesnt Blizzard sell its games on steam? because they know that they put it hardwork and polish and have the resources to sell it themselves without letting a third party take a cut. DICE has built this game for the PC in mind and has put it in more time and resources than any other Battlefield game, if they have the resources to create their own service why would they let a third party take a cut, especially since this third party is trying to make them play by their rules.

Exactly. They are maximizing profits by doing without the middleman. Simple capitalism, this is what America was built on. Even if this had nothing to do with Steam, I would still applaud them. Look at it this way, the more money they make should equal more/better support.
    
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i do use steam for certain games, but beside me, in a 10 shelf bookshelf, are physical copies of every game thats been worth my time, all the way from the original doom till now.

the point in factor is neither company wins here.

steam loses a game to sell because thier being pure idiots on thier policies.

and EA loses that same fare share market as said in the article " alot of people have been hurt by EA, and still dont trust them"

steam is reliable, and god damn, you never lose your games, and you dont hafta switch out 6 CDs to install them (this was notorious for UT2004)

hell ive bought games, and never used the disc, just the product key to download thru steam. we've all done it, and we know we have.

so lets all stop speculating and let these 2 companies fight over pure stupidity, where everybody loses if they dont come to terms.
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post #130 of 174
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Exactly. They are maximizing profits by doing without the middleman. Simple capitalism, this is what America was built on. Even if this had nothing to do with Steam, I would still applaud them. Look at it this way, the more money they make should equal more/better support.
Kind of a moot point when physical copy retailers make a cut too, and digital copies cost pretty much nothing to "produce" since there are no boxes, manuals, nor game discs...

My outlook on what will happen: EA will come crawling back to Valve, BEGGING for them to reconsider their terms. Valve will reject, EA will go through with it and offer BF3 on Steam with future DLC sold on Steam as well. I seriously don't understand EA's big deal about this. They sell the Vietnam and SPECACT DLC on Steam for BC2.
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