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post #11 of 19
Good monitor at a good price. It's not a U2410 but it wasn't meant to be.
post #12 of 19
Notice that U2412M don't support Adobe RGB, SRGB, HDMI, cardreader and those extra connections.

And the monitor don't have touch buttons and a higher response time (8ms vs 6ms).

The U2410 is still superior imo.
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post #13 of 19
Really, it's slower!? I though my UltraSharp U2410 was slow enough and just barely passable as it is. I figured the 6-bit IPS panels were a good middle ground mix of TN's speed and IPS's colors but it seems that's not the case.

The contrast, darker/Black levels, and speed of the UltraSharp U2410 leave a bit to be desired in my opinion. If the Ultrasharp U2412m had passed it in all three areas, I'd likely give it a pass on the 6-bit vs 8-bit thing if the colors weren't that much worse and say it was still arguably the slightly better monitor (especially for the price), but if it's slower, forget that.
post #14 of 19
I doubt the difference in response time is really significant. Better black levels is an improvement. They basically stated that after being calibrated it's almost on par with an out-of-the-box 2410, so perhaps the 2410 has the ability for more extension after being calibrated. I think the most significant difference is the LED backlighting, which helps improve grayscale reproduction, as well as lowers power consumption by about half.

@Kosire - It does support sRGB. It doesn't support Adobe RGB, however.

I'm sure that both are fine for gaming, unless you are a "professional," in which case, as they stated, would find better performance, but not image quality, from a 120hz TN panel.
post #15 of 19
I think the UltraSharp U2410 comes calibrated out of the box, so I'm not sure how much more you could get out of it, but calibration isn't my thing.

I am not a professional gamer and yet the ghosting of the UltraSharp U2410 slightly bothers me. It's not terrible, but there's a somewhat dizzying blur I can notice, and it's not quite as smooth as I'd like it. Maybe I'm still more sensitive to it having just switched from a CRT though.

Therefore, this cheaper one one being slower impacts my opinion of it quite a bit. I was under the assumption that it traded some color quality for speed by being 6-bit e-IPS, but it seems to have traded down in both.

The extra contrast/dark levels are nice though, but those alone don't make it much better in my eyes with the other cons.
post #16 of 19
Well, most monitors come pre-calibrated. But, a more properly calibration is usually going to give a better impression of the maximum image quality attainable.
post #17 of 19
2412M 8ms is GTG right? Not true BTWTB?


Monitors with a 2ms(GTG) may not be as fast as a 5ms(BTWTB)
post #18 of 19
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I think the UltraSharp U2410 comes calibrated out of the box, so I'm not sure how much more you could get out of it, but calibration isn't my thing.

I am not a professional gamer and yet the ghosting of the UltraSharp U2410 slightly bothers me. It's not terrible, but there's a somewhat dizzying blur I can notice, and it's not quite as smooth as I'd like it. Maybe I'm still more sensitive to it having just switched from a CRT though.

Therefore, this cheaper one one being slower impacts my opinion of it quite a bit. I was under the assumption that it traded some color quality for speed by being 6-bit e-IPS, but it seems to have traded down in both.

The extra contrast/dark levels are nice though, but those alone don't make it much better in my eyes with the other cons.
The U2410 was actually considered to have the worse color calibration out of the box when it first came out. Dell might have changed their process over the years so this might not be the case anymore.

If you read the review the U2410 is actually slower in response time. The U2412M seems to use a more agressive response time compensation (RTC) impulse which makes it similar to the U2711. The overdrive trailing described is an artifact created from the RTC overshoot.

The 6-bit matrix is a limitation of the panel. Frame rate control (FRC) or in this case advanced FRC (A-FRC) uses alternating neighboring colors to reproduce the missing colors in between. 6-bit matrices with FRC are common on TN and e-IPS panels. Of course FRC is never going to fully reproduce the missing colors and its quality is dependent on the algorithm used.

As stated many times before, the U2412M is meant to coexist with the U2410, not replace it. It's really up to the person to determine if they want to pay more for those extra bells and whistles. Though, some owners at the [H]ard forum say that the U2412H has lower input lag making it better for gaming. With Dell sales I wouldn't be surprised to find this monitor in the lower 300s.
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post #19 of 19
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Really, it's slower!? I though my UltraSharp U2410 was slow enough and just barely passable as it is. I figured the 6-bit IPS panels were a good middle ground mix of TN's speed and IPS's colors but it seems that's not the case.

The contrast, darker/Black levels, and speed of the UltraSharp U2410 leave a bit to be desired in my opinion. If the Ultrasharp U2412m had passed it in all three areas, I'd likely give it a pass on the 6-bit vs 8-bit thing if the colors weren't that much worse and say it was still arguably the slightly better monitor (especially for the price), but if it's slower, forget that.
Its not slower, the grey-to-grey isnt an accurate representation...

Wait till TFTcentral does a review on it, they will compare the input lag to alot of other monitors, including the U2311H (which i have a feeling it will be on par with, which has less input lag compared to the U2410)
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