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Posts and rep don't meen or say anything about what people know rolleyes.gif

So if you were to register at a new forum would that meen you know nothing because of a low post and rep count? rolleyes.gif
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All these guides and articles talking about how faster NB speed improves Phenom performance are all referring to CPU NB, even the examples Rocket Dog has been referencing.

Honestly though, I'm not surprised there is confusion, as the terminology is non-intuitive.

However, if you step back and look at what these components are and what they do, it becomes obvious that the CPU NB is the more important one, and equally evident that this is the topic of these articles, guides, and reviews showing performance improvements.

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While it's true that post/rep count/ratio have no intrinsic meaning in and of themselves, they do reflect how useful one's statements and advice is perceived. Few people will find erroneous information to be of much use, at least not in the long term.
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over volting the mobo northbridge can bring stability at high fsb overclocks,thats the only reason volts should be added.
overclocking the cpu-nb doesnt overclock the ram,the fsb does that.
overclocking the cpu-nb brings higher minimum frames in multi gpu setups,and decreases the latency on the motherboard cache.
to gain a high cpu-nb 1.35v is fairly safe,i can get to 4ghz cpu-nb using that voltage,and as it doesnt really add to the cpu temps,why not
if you cant select higher than x10 cpu-nb multiplier or greater than 2000mhz cpu-nb,you have to increase fsb to achieve higher cpu-nb frequencies,inevitably your will have to drop your ram divider or at the very least slacken ram timings aswell as increase ram voltage,cpu voltage and the aforementioned cpu-nb voltage aswell as the posibility of increasing mobo nb volts if you have gone above 250mhz fsb for instance.

cpu-nb to 2600 =260fsb and x10/2000mhz cpu-nb frequency
260fsb means your ram will need dropping down one notch,possibly timings slackened one notch like :rated 5-5-5-15 2T to overclocked 6-6-6-16 2T,just to get it to boot,then work it down once you know its possible.i had to increase ddr2 from 1.8 to 2.192 to be stable.
260 fsb might take 1.4v,just remebere overclcking is a gamble and your chip may do better than others,or not.
skill doesnt really come into it at this level-being stubborn and relentless does
Edited by MightyMission - 8/9/11 at 11:47am
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I know how to overclock thank you very much

4.5Ghz is more of a high binned chip then the overclocker
It seems that you don't... Take a good look at this picture and tell me I have it wrong.



If I set my NB voltage to 1.325v and leave my CPU/NB voltage at stock, the system doesn't post. I restarted my machine, went into BIOS and took a picture just to prove you wrong. And don't antagonize people any further with your "Intel boy" posts cause I'll be forced to report you! Got that? Stay cool, don't flame.
Edited by Benz - 8/9/11 at 1:09pm
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I had mine set to 1.375v
 
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The chips vary,so one might have a "golden chip" because it clocks higher or does good clocks on reference volts,its all a gamble.
a worthy one though,its free performance increase
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My friend has a 1090T that can reach 2800MHz on stock CPU/NB voltage stable, I'll borrow his CPU, test it and post it here.
Edited by Benz - 8/9/11 at 1:50pm
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post #48 of 50
Don't listen to Rocket Dog. The voltage that you need to increase is the cpu-nb.
Not the nb voltage. My phenom II 550 be need 1.28v of cpu-nb voltage in order to achieve stable 2600mhz nb frequency.
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CPU-NB controls the voltage of the non-core components on the CPU, namely the memory controller and the L3 cache, usually called the NB. Increasing the speed of these components is a big deal for overall system performance. A faster memory controller increases memory performance considerably, even if the memory itself is not touched. A faster L3 cache has obvious benefits that are compounded by the fact that the individual cores communicate with each other through it.

The non-cpu NB voltage, when I have seen it listed that, was the voltage going to the chipset. You do not need to OC the chipset, and should not have to over volt it.



If anything this should be underclocked.

There is NO performance gain to be had by OCing the HTT link. All it does is connect the CPU to the chipset, and the chipset is just a glorified PCI-E bus.

Even at an HT link speed of 1GHz (half of stock), there is a surplus of bandwidth on single GPU systems.

If you are indeed OCing your HTT link, then yes, you probably do need more chipset voltage. It's meaningless to do so though.
Absolutely not, with high end video cards and dual+ video cards, overclocking brings a performance increase.

For the record I am running NB and CPU-NB at 1.275v and 1.285v respectively, IMC is at 2800MHz
Edited by linkin93 - 8/9/11 at 7:53pm
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Absolutely not, with high end video cards and dual+ video cards, overclocking brings a performance increase.
I've never seen any hint of a performance increase with any single card setup, and have not seen any decrease in performance as low a 1GHz with my 555BE and an unlocked + overclocked 6950.

Perhaps a high-end multi GPU setup would benefit, but even in these cases I am skeptical that it would be noticeable.

Even at ~1GHz the HT bus has plenty of bandwidth for a 16x slot.

Edit: I just realized the Phenoms are on a 16-bit HT bus so bandwidth is half of what I was expecting.

Still, I just ran some graphics benchmarks (Heaven 2.5, furmark, 3dmark) on my 555BE (4GHz core, 2.74GHz CPU-NB) at both 5x HT (1.05GHz) bus and 10x (2.1GHz). There was less than a 1% difference overall. This was with a 5850 at 900/1300.

Maybe there would be a larger difference with a faster GPU setup, but I don't imagine it would be noticeable. overclocking CPU-NB often is.
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