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Hey guys

So I just wanted to know, in terms of website logging is it only viewable off the computer browsed on? Or are there links to view sites off the router? for example additional software or logs that contain the data? I know everyone is just going to assume this is about porn because 99% of the time these question are but theres other info i dont want to be seen by others on my connection and the people in my house are the sort who would use any methods to monitor me on the net.

So we have a draytek 2820 router and i cant see any logs, but i just wanted some advice on finding out / stopping any potential monitoring.

Cheers for any help with this as im very good with computers but not really with networks and I hate the idea of being watched over.
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On the internet, you basically have zero privacy. Everything you do is logged in some server somewhere, and your ISP logs every site you visit, and every file you download. Using proxy servers will help with this somewhat, but I've heard some of the more popular proxy servers still keep logs on everything, so that kinda defeats the purpose since the ISP can see what proxy server you are using.

As for router logs, they typically don't log anything. They don't have the storage capacity to do so. If you are REALLY paranoid about being monitored, you have two options.
1) Unplug your computer from the internet (not very feasible, but it IS an option) and
2) Check out TOR, or some similar service.
https://www.torproject.org/

That should be enough to get you started.
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hey thanks for the non stupid reply i was expecting from people.

I dont care about ISP etc having logs its basically just people in my house, e.g. who connect to the same router. So wanted to know how to stop them seeing anything, obviously im responsible for tracking on my own pc but from the router I wanted to know what I can do. Ive checked every menue and the draytek dosent seem to keep logs, so theres no other ways right?
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Ahh, ok I'm 100% with ya now. I was kinda wondering if you were just paranoid by nature, or if this was a legit privacy question. I completely understand now.

Wireshark could be used to spy on you, but I do believe using a program like TOR should make what they find just a bunch of gibberish. There are other programs out there like WireShark, and the only real way to protect against them is to always use a VPN (after a little digging online, you can find VPN services for something like $10-15 US Dollars a month if I remember correctly).

The VPN basically creates a tunnel between you and the VPN company's computer, and all traffic (even if you go to www.overclock.net for example) would show up as encrypted traffic going only to the VPN. Once it gets to the VPN, then that forwards it on for you to the desired website.

It's been to long since I've read up on TOR, but I *THINK* that if you are using TOR, it will have the same effect on WireShark, and other "packet sniffers". The best way to find out, is to try it out yourself. WireShark is free, and while you have to learn a bit about networking to truly understand what is going on, it can be a very useful tool. I use it from time to time just to make sure nothing on my system is "calling home" when it shouldn't be.
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Ahh, ok I'm 100% with ya now. I was kinda wondering if you were just paranoid by nature, or if this was a legit privacy question. I completely understand now.

Wireshark could be used to spy on you, but I do believe using a program like TOR should make what they find just a bunch of gibberish. There are other programs out there like WireShark, and the only real way to protect against them is to always use a VPN (after a little digging online, you can find VPN services for something like $10-15 US Dollars a month if I remember correctly).

The VPN basically creates a tunnel between you and the VPN company's computer, and all traffic (even if you go to www.overclock.net for example) would show up as encrypted traffic going only to the VPN. Once it gets to the VPN, then that forwards it on for you to the desired website.

It's been to long since I've read up on TOR, but I *THINK* that if you are using TOR, it will have the same effect on WireShark, and other "packet sniffers". The best way to find out, is to try it out yourself. WireShark is free, and while you have to learn a bit about networking to truly understand what is going on, it can be a very useful tool. I use it from time to time just to make sure nothing on my system is "calling home" when it shouldn't be.
Cheers ill look into it, dont really want to spend money, just wanted to know what they could retrieve from the router / if the router directly logs pages / site ips etc etc
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Yeah, I doubt they'll be able to pull anything off your router. Have fun with TOR and WireShark! If you need any more help, let me know.
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On the other hand, I have a question where I want logging - is there a way to make DD-WRT e-mail you or FTP to you a logfile say, every 12 hours? I want to catch anybody trying to hack a WPA2 wireless network 'cause by the time that happens, serious stuff is going down.
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Quote:
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On the other hand, I have a question where I want logging - is there a way to make DD-WRT e-mail you or FTP to you a logfile say, every 12 hours? I want to catch anybody trying to hack a WPA2 wireless network 'cause by the time that happens, serious stuff is going down.
With a router, I don't believe that is possible. It **MIGHT** be possible with a server like Untangle running AS the router, and it should most definitely be possible when the proper anti-virus system is running on the computer acting as the router (just don't remember off the top of my head which one will email you an alert), but I don't think it is possible with a dedicated router, even with DD-WRT.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me!
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Ahh, ok I'm 100% with ya now. I was kinda wondering if you were just paranoid by nature, or if this was a legit privacy question. I completely understand now.

Wireshark could be used to spy on you, but I do believe using a program like TOR should make what they find just a bunch of gibberish. There are other programs out there like WireShark, and the only real way to protect against them is to always use a VPN (after a little digging online, you can find VPN services for something like $10-15 US Dollars a month if I remember correctly).

The VPN basically creates a tunnel between you and the VPN company's computer, and all traffic (even if you go to www.overclock.net for example) would show up as encrypted traffic going only to the VPN. Once it gets to the VPN, then that forwards it on for you to the desired website.

It's been to long since I've read up on TOR, but I *THINK* that if you are using TOR, it will have the same effect on WireShark, and other "packet sniffers". The best way to find out, is to try it out yourself. WireShark is free, and while you have to learn a bit about networking to truly understand what is going on, it can be a very useful tool. I use it from time to time just to make sure nothing on my system is "calling home" when it shouldn't be.
got tor installed, so tor hides ip but dosent the router still have history ? i assumed tor only defends against externals to the network? rather than internals
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also this is the wiki page for the router if it helps identify what you can do with it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DrayTek_Vigor_2820_Series

Basically all i want is internals to the network not being able to monitor me though either logs kept in that router or software that uses the router etc, as i assume it all passes through there as a shared location.
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