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And I believe you but I think the majority of OCN would be supporting Samsung. The patent system is screwed up, as many have said, and for the moment at least this is just how things go.

To be honest, as one of the people that dislike this behavio, I would hate on samsung too if they pulled out ridiculous patents to stifle competition and innovation. How ever this issue has already happened with apple (in my opinion anyway) which is most likely why everyone would go 'Hell yeah take that'. If things could be reset to before all of these ridiculous tactics, and samsung were the ones after apple, you can bet that I would hate on samsung faster than a G6! But that isn't the case. Apple started this, they started trying to kill competition when it realized how strong it was becoming, and I feel that they deserve every ounce of hate (rational and irrational) that they get.

With that said, I have no interest in tablets at all, my thoughts and opinions on this topic (and others like it) are fueled purely by my belief that ethics, morals and fairness should be treasured and adhered to, even in business. That isn't the world we live in, I know, but they are the values I personally hold high, so I (and all others like myself) have every right to voice our outrage over this.
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It just seems to me that apple has spoiled things for everyone now i cant get my tab :-( . You would think seeing what the sgt 10.1 can do with its dualcore cpu, 1gb ram and all the other stuff including its media facilities, apple should have seen this as an opportunity to make an even better ipad, beat thr competitors at the game with innovation and do it faster than the others.
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I love it when people avoid responding to my posts.
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Originally Posted by steelbom;14529203 
Yet those devices failed because they were too expensive

The Dell Axim X50 was released in 2005 and had similar specs to that of an iPhone that was released in 2007. It retailed for $499, which is the same price of an iPhone 2 years later. Given how flash memory advanced over time, there would have been no issues of having much larger flash if the device was released 2 years later.

This device received the red dot design award.
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offered low battery life
My HTC, which I can't remember the exact model, ran Windows 5. It was able to get a few day's worth of internet browsing, text messaging, and phone calls. That isn't poor battery life.
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and poor screen quality
The Dell Axim X51v was released in 2005 and offered not only a larger screen then the iPhone that was released in 2007, but with a much higher DPI as well.

Furthermore, Windows Mobile 6 and 5 offered products with much higher resolutions then the iPhone. Windows Mobile 5 was also offered before the iPhone.
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as well as being too heavy and clunky.
Many of these tablet PDAs, and phones, were maybe 1-5mm thicker then the iPhone that was released in 2007. They also offered PDAs that were thinner then the iPhone that was released in 2007.
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A lot of them required pen input or only had resistive touch input
Arguing that most did not, as it was more efficient for their use at the time, does not neglect that there were ones developed. The technology dates back into the 70s.
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it ran a slimmed down version of Windows that isn't suitable for a slate.
There were dell tablet PCs that offered a full version of windows released long before the iPad/iPhone. Dell is also a successful company.

Windows XP Tablet Edition was released in 2002. A full scaled operating system that outranked an iPhone/iPad's capabilities, even today.
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Apple produced a well priced slate with a good form factor that's comfortable to hold that has long lasting battery life.
Before the introduction of the iPhone, I worked at a pet store. One of the employees at Nutrience walked around the store with a ~12 in tablet made by HP. It was comfortable to use and thin. It would also last him while he walked around the store for hours.

In the end, why continue a product for 5+ years if it was unsuccessful?
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They paired it with a version of iOS designed for a larger screen size that is optimised to work very well with the hardware (helps with battery life).
The input method has very little reflection on battery life.

Also, this HP tablet was ~12in large. They also had 15+ inch tablet PCs before the iPad. They not only worked well with their hardware, but they also outperformed the iOS.
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They used a good quality multi-touch IPS display
This quality mutli-touch display had as much input problems as all tablets had.

Considering the quality behind apples' IPS displays today, a sub 200 dollar TFT LCD are able to produce the adobe RGB colour spectrum just as well. Furthermore, this IPS produced very washed out blacks that were unrealistic (considering the iPhone4).
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and flash storage
There were plenty of devices that offered flash storage at that time. Your arguments hold no weight.
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And yes, it helps that they have the App Store, iTunes Store, and iBooks Store, etc.
Aside from the iTunes and iBooks, like what has been said numerous times already, the App Store was what held the iPhone in the game.

My second HTC was able to support expandable microSD cards that would put it on par, even outrank later on, the iPhone.
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That's how they revolutionized the slate
You stated concepts and hardware that performed less then other devices before it's release.
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they made one that everyone wanted.
Marketing of the iPhone app store, which is what Apple has done well, is why everyone wanted one.
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Yes, they were the first to release a multi-touch slate. And if not, the first successful one.
Multi-touch has been around since the 80s.

Please refrain from going off-topic with wrong information please.
Edited by Domino - 8/10/11 at 2:19am
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It annoys me that they feel the need to sue. The iPad murders that tablet in terms of responsiveness and usability anyway.
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It annoys me that they feel the need to sue. The iPad murders that tablet in terms of responsiveness and usability anyway.

I have both of those tablets and my ipad sits on a shelf now. My Galaxy tab is faster, lighter and thinner. Battery life on the two is similar. My Samsung tab came with a full office suite much better camera's, flash support, easy ability to mod it and yea, i didn't need to connect it to my computer to turn it on the first time. They sue because they can. Why get an Ipad with 0 ability to customize the look, beyond changing the background, no way to root/jailbreak the device unless your lucky and are on the right software version? To me, the ipad is inferior to the Galaxy tab, and the OS just takes it up a level. And dont listen to all the BS about the ipad being so stable. I can even view certain websites on it. applications crash without reason and after a while it slows down like hell, just like anything else.
Please post some examples on responsiveness. That dual core tegra beats the crap out of the samsung, cough i mean Apple A5.
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Originally Posted by 2010rig;14526878 
I wonder why Apple doesn't sue the makers of the "Airphone"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUT39op2Pp8
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Originally Posted by Usario;14527195 
Apple usually doesn't sue small ripoff companies, but occasionally they have the Chinese govt shut them down.

Speaking of the Airphone, one of my friends used to have something very similar to that because he couldn't afford a real iPhone. XD

It doesn't have enough of a market share to be considered a threat.
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First of all let's get something straight. I'm talking about slates/tablets, you're referencing tablet PDAs and phones which are small and don't suffer anywhere near the amount of problems that larger ~10" tablets did back in those days. And... this is the kind of tablet I'm talking about: http://www.tabletpc.com.au/product/3732/45320/asus-eee-slate-ep121-tablet-pc

Although that is significantly better than what was offered many years ago. Those tablets were heavier, had shorter battery life, had poorer screen quality, had hard drives (not flash), were thicker, and they also used resistive touch screens not multi-touch capacative.
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Originally Posted by Domino;14529534 
The Dell Axim X50 was released in 2005 and had similar specs to that of an iPhone that was released in 2007. It retailed for $499, which is the same price of an iPhone 2 years later. Given how flash memory advanced over time, there would have been no issues of having much larger flash if the device was released 2 years later.

This device received the red dot design award.
I'm talking about slates which could retail for $1500 not a phone sized device.
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My HTC, which I can't remember the exact model, ran Windows 5. It was able to get a few day's worth of internet browsing, text messaging, and phone calls. That isn't poor battery life.

Many of these tablet PDAs, and phones, were maybe 1-5mm thicker then the iPhone that was released in 2007. They also offered PDAs that were thinner then the iPhone that was released in 2007.
Talking about slates not tablet PDAs and phones. There's a big difference
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Considering the quality behind apples' IPS displays today, a sub 200 dollar TFT LCD are able to produce the adobe RGB colour spectrum just as well. Furthermore, this IPS produced very washed out blacks that were unrealistic (considering the iPhone4).
An IPS display isn't about the colour spectrum but viewing angles.
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The Dell Axim X51v was released in 2005 and offered not only a larger screen then the iPhone that was released in 2007, but with a much higher DPI as well.
Screen size and resolution doesn't equal quality.
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Marketing of the iPhone app store, which is what Apple has done well, is why everyone wanted one.
No, but that is a part of it -- it's the combination of software (inc. the App Store) and hardware. An App Store on a poorly designed OS doesn't make people want it.
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Multi-touch has been around since the 80s.
Not on a phone or slate. Let's not take what I'm saying out of context.
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This quality mutli-touch display had as much input problems as all tablets had.
What tablets? Multi-touch hadn't been used on a slate display until the iPad. And what problems? I've never heard of nor experienced any.
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Windows XP Tablet Edition was released in 2002. A full scaled operating system that outranked an iPhone/iPad's capabilities, even today.
Yes, I was thinking of that specifically when I said slimmed down version of Windows. Even Windows 7 doesn't belong on a slate (no full OS does imo), yet alone a tablet version of XP from 2002.
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That dual core tegra beats the crap out of the samsung, cough i mean Apple A5.
How is that, considering that the A5 is only a more efficient dual-core A9? Additionally, the A5 includes a beast of a GPU.
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