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Originally Posted by jjsoviet;14525111 
Let's break this down, shall we?

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Pictured here is the final design of the infringing tablet in question, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Apple has complained about the SGT 10.1's design, which it claims to be copying the iPad.

Is it?

Hardware

- Screen size ratio is 16:10 (10.1 inches) on the SGT, 4:3 (8.9 inches) on the iPad 2.
- Resolution is 1280x800 WXGA on the SGT, 1024x768 XGA on the iPad 2.
- The rear on the SGT is made of plastic (eew), while the iPad 2 has an aluminum unibody.
- Rear camera module designs are different, as is their resolution (3MP vs. "HD" 0.7MP)


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Software

- iPad 2 runs on iOS 4, the Galaxy Tab runs on Android 3.0/3.1 Honeycomb.
- Samsung's TouchWiz UX is still markedly different than iOS, even stock Honeycomb.
- Icons are NOT square-ish as in TouchWiz UI on Samsung phones, and the color scheme is more dark gray/purple/white.
- TouchWiz UX has mini-apps that act like widgets, none are present in HC or iOS.

Quoting myself because nobody seemed to care.
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post #142 of 217
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Originally Posted by steelbom;14529998 
First of all let's get something straight. I'm talking about slates/tablets, you're referencing tablet PDAs and phones which are small and don't suffer anywhere near the amount of problems that larger ~10" tablets did back in those days. And... this is the kind of tablet I'm talking about: http://www.tabletpc.com.au/product/3732/45320/asus-eee-slate-ep121-tablet-pc

Although that is significantly better than what was offered many years ago. Those tablets were heavier, had shorter battery life, had poorer screen quality, had hard drives (not flash), were thicker, and they also used resistive touch screens not multi-touch capacative.

I'm talking about slates which could retail for $1500 not a phone sized device.

Those "slates" obviously targeted a very different market. This was before the time of Android, and perhaps even before iOS. Windows still is not a particularly optimized platform for tablets. I also don't think you should simply assume that resistive screens are any less capable or usable.
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Talking about slates not tablet PDAs and phones. There's a big difference
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An IPS display isn't about the colour spectrum but viewing angles.

Who told you that? Those are both benefits.
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Screen size and resolution doesn't equal quality.

I'll give you that.
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No, but that is a part of it -- it's the combination of software (inc. the App Store) and hardware. An App Store on a poorly designed OS doesn't make people want it.

Not on a phone or slate. Let's not take what I'm saying out of context.

What tablets? Multi-touch hadn't been used on a slate display until the iPad. And what problems? I've never heard of nor experienced any.

Yes, I was thinking of that specifically when I said slimmed down version of Windows. Even Windows 7 doesn't belong on a slate (no full OS does imo), yet alone a tablet version of XP from 2002.

No full OS? What do you consider to be "full"?
post #143 of 217
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Originally Posted by jjsoviet;14530041 
Quoting myself because nobody seemed to care.

I'm not sure why you're trying to solicit a response, which most likely seems to be objection.

I think we can generally agree that you can't really argue the use of similar hardware infringes on anything.

As per software, I don't particularly believe that there should be much merit in a design patent for icons in the form of rounded rectangles/squares. It sounds ridiculous to have exclusive rights to a particular shape. It's hardly innovative.
post #144 of 217
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Originally Posted by Ikrin;14530078 
Those "slates" obviously targeted a very different market. This was before the time of Android, and perhaps even before iOS. Windows still is not a particularly optimized platform for tablets. I also don't think you should simply assume that resistive screens are any less capable or usable.
They were indeed for a different market. And, I don't see how resistive touch could be on par with multi-touch -- it just leaves out so many gestures which can be used.
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Who told you that? Those are both benefits.
To what are you referring? IPS isn't necessarily indicative of a good colour spectrum but of good viewing angles, is it not?
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No full OS? What do you consider to be "full"?
An OS not optimised (or built from the ground up) for use on a slate. For example, Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X. What is good on a slate (or a phone) is iOS, Android, etc.

I just believe there are far too many problems with using a full OS on a slate.
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post #145 of 217
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Originally Posted by Ikrin;14530112 
I'm not sure why you're trying to solicit a response, which most likely seems to be objection.

I think we can generally agree that you can't really argue the use of similar hardware infringes on anything.

As per software, I don't particularly believe that there should be much merit in a design patent for icons in the form of rounded rectangles/squares. It sounds ridiculous to have exclusive rights to a particular shape. It's hardly innovative.

Thoroughly agree. I just wanted to gain more visibility in this conversation, as somehow mine wasn't responded to when others before and after my post have been answered somewhat. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by steelbom;14530123 
They were indeed for a different market. And, I don't see how resistive touch could be on par with multi-touch -- it just leaves out so many gestures which can be used.

You're neglecting the fact that resistive multi-touch displays exist...
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To what are you referring? IPS isn't necessarily indicative of a good colour spectrum but of good viewing angles, is it not?

I'm pretty sure it is. That doesn't mean it may be readily noticeable, nor that it is a very significant amount, as per e-IPS panels, but that is one of the core features that distinguishes IPS panels from regular TN displays or the Pixel Qi display of the Notion Ink Adam.
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An OS not optimised (or built from the ground up) for use on a slate. For example, Windows, Linux, or Mac OS X. What is good on a slate (or a phone) is iOS, Android, etc.

I just believe there are far too many problems with using a full OS on a slate.

I will concede that those operating systems tend to be bloated and require greater hardware specifications. However, it does not necessarily mean that they can't be optimized. I'm not particularly fond of this "full OS" label. Wait until Windows 7 tablets running on ARM processors arrive.
post #147 of 217
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Originally Posted by jjsoviet;14530142 
Thoroughly agree. I just wanted to gain more visibility in this conversation, as somehow mine wasn't responded to when others before and after my post have been answered somewhat. tongue.gif

I can understand that, but..., I don't see the purpose of actively seeking attention..
post #148 of 217
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Originally Posted by Ikrin;14530165 
I can understand that, but..., I don't see the purpose of actively seeking attention..

Eh, my tendency I guess. Sorry. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Ikrin;14530146 
You're neglecting the fact that resistive multi-touch displays exist...
Do they? Heh... in that case I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be on par in terms of usability to a capacitive multi-touch display. Although, I'm not a fan of them tongue.gif
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I will concede that those operating systems tend to be bloated and require greater hardware specifications. However, it does not necessarily mean that they can't be optimized. I'm not particularly fond of this "full OS" label. Wait until Windows 7 tablets running on ARM processors arrive.
They do, but a lot of the problems are to due with the applications. You just can't beat having an application designed for a 10" screen and multi-touch input compared to having an application designed for a 15-23" screen that is designed for keyboard and mouse input. I see, for example, problems such as having small buttons grouped together that are perfectly fine for a mouse to click but not so great for touch and things like that, etc.
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Originally Posted by Ikrin;14530165 
I can understand that, but..., I don't see the purpose of actively seeking attention..
No one likes to have what they've spent time writing go unnoticed tongue.gif
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I like how people argue over little things like the term patent troll.

IMO I think apple are a new breed of patent trolls. Patenting anything and everything so they can stifle competition, no matter how ridiculous.
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