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No offense to you, but you're not in any position to make that determination, and neither am I or anyone else on this forum. You guys presume WAY too much. Whatever patents a company is awarded deserve to be defended. Is the system messed up? Sure it is and these companies are just playing the game. It is what it is.
Blind acceptance, I can't see that leading to anything bad.
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Blind acceptance, I can't see that leading to anything bad.
Then take your complaints to the government, not Apple.
 
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So its a "Blame the game, not the player?" type of argument?
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Apple is not the issue. The patent system granting such broad reching patents is the issue. I do not like apple, but if a patent system and laws exist that allow them to sue based on the patents they are granted, then they would be appalingly stupid not to.

Stop making apple your scapegoat on the patent issue. The patent issue, not apple, is to blame.

If you want to hate apple, hate them because their products suck. They are a generation behind everyone else, and lacking in key features.
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No offense to you, but you're not in any position to make that determination, and neither am I or anyone else on this forum. You guys presume WAY too much. Whatever patents a company is awarded deserve to be defended. Is the system messed up? Sure it is and these companies are just playing the game. It is what it is.


What have we presumed exactly? We can see the patents, they are public documents. We can see the device, it has been on sale for a long time now. We can see the patent law, it's also public. Patents can be deemed too generic to be valid, we saw it with Colt and it's M4.

Patents can be awarded, but the court of law can still render them invalid if they see fit.

These business ethics should bother you. If companies get their way with this kind of nonsense, the consumer gets burned.
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Patents can be awarded, but the court of law can still render them invalid if they see fit.
Then once again....the blame is on the patent office for granting them the patent, and the court for not invalidating it. Not on apple for trying to protect is patent.
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This is the problem with Google as well as most Android device manufacturers. They ignore patented ideas and just do whatever the hell they want, then them and their fanboys whine like little girls and Google goes crying to the government because they didn't bother to see if their product was in violation of patented technologies, and then they call these patents "bogus" despite the fact that they hold similar patents and attempted to purchase similar patents (and in the case of the Nortel patents, they only cried foul after Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle outbid their pi billion bid and then said they were conspiring to destroy Android despite the fact that Google was invited to join that very consortium).

I mean, come on. If you cannot acknowledge that the iPhone and iPad are the reason modern smartphones and tablets look the way they do, then you are terribly biased. Did they borrow from some older devices? Yes. But they revolutionized those markets in such a way that no competitor has done since then, instead creating near identical clones with a slightly different UI skin. There's actually evidence to back this up; before the iPhone came out Android prototypes looked very similar to BlackBerries. After the rise of the iPhone, the first Android phone came out and it copied the look and feel and attempted to copy the UX, and of course they added a physical keyboard to some models (common complaint about the iPhone when it first came out) which, after the iPhone 3G and 3GS gained all the world's attention, proved to be unnecessary.

This is merely a case of Apple's patented technologies being protected in court.

And to those of you calling Apple a patent troll, you should be ashamed of yourselves. BY DEFINITION, APPLE IS NOT A PATENT TROLL. A patent troll does not make use of their patented technologies in a product or service, rather just owns the patents and gets all their revenue from suing over them. If you still think Apple's a patent troll, then you're an idiot.

And also consider that Apple is being sued by more companies than it is suing, and every single lawsuit filed against them except for one by a small patent troll and two counterclaims was filed prior to Apple suing Samsung and HTC.

And seriously, you people act like this is something between individuals who have little to gain from the situation. THIS JUST IN! COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY!

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Apple is not the issue. The patent system granting such broad reching patents is the issue. I do not like apple, but if a patent system and laws exist that allow them to sue based on the patents they are granted, then they would be appalingly stupid not to.

Stop making apple your scapegoat on the patent issue. The patent issue, not apple, is to blame.
This is the undeniable truth.
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Then once again....the blame is on the patent office for granting them the patent, and the court for not invalidating it. Not on apple for trying to protect is patent.
-_- Apple's the one who thought of the stupid patent to exploit the rule, patent office granted them, court didn't invalidate it. I see three parties to blame.
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Then once again....the blame is on the patent office for granting them the patent, and the court for not invalidating it. Not on apple for trying to protect is patent.
No one is saying the patent office isn't to blame, quite the opposite.

What your finding here is people bothered by Apple's ethics. They aren't trying to protect a patent, that would have been done ages ago when the first iPad look-a-likes came out.

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This is the problem with Google as well as most Android device manufacturers. They ignore patented ideas and just do whatever the hell they want, then them and their fanboys whine like little girls and Google goes crying to the government because they didn't bother to see if their product was in violation of patented technologies, and then they call these patents "bogus" despite the fact that they hold similar patents and attempted to purchase similar patents (and in the case of the Nortel patents, they only cried foul after Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle outbid their pi billion bid and then said they were conspiring to destroy Android despite the fact that Google was invited to join that very consortium).

I mean, come on. If you cannot acknowledge that the iPhone and iPad are the reason modern smartphones and tablets look the way they do, then you are terribly biased. Did they borrow from some older devices? Yes. But they revolutionized those markets in such a way that no competitor has done since then, instead creating near identical clones with a slightly different UI skin. There's actually evidence to back this up; before the iPhone came out Android prototypes looked very similar to BlackBerries. After the rise of the iPhone, the first Android phone came out and it copied the look and feel and attempted to copy the UX, and of course they added a physical keyboard to some models (common complaint about the iPhone when it first came out) which, after the iPhone 3G and 3GS gained all the world's attention, proved to be unnecessary.

This is merely a case of Apple's patented technologies being protected in court.

And to those of you calling Apple a patent troll, you should be ashamed of yourselves. BY DEFINITION, APPLE IS NOT A PATENT TROLL. A patent troll does not make use of their patented technologies in a product or service, rather just owns the patents and gets all their revenue from suing over them. If you still think Apple's a patent troll, then you're an idiot.

And also consider that Apple is being sued by more companies than it is suing, and every single lawsuit filed against them except for one by a small patent troll and two counterclaims was filed prior to Apple suing Samsung and HTC.
Then Apple needs to sue Google, which they are NOT doing. Suing the people that make the devices that use Google's OS is not trying to stifle patent infringement, it's keeping competition at bay. If you look at the UI patents they've gone after HTC and Samsung with, you'll notice that Google's stock OS infringes on those same patents, and in my opinion, more so than the others.

Apple was fat and happy until the competition started pumping out devices that were actually... well... competitive.
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-_- Apple's the one who thought of the stupid patent to exploit the rule, patent office granted them, court didn't invalidate it. I see three parties to blame.
Did you ever think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, Apple had actually innovated and had something patent worth, and that's why the only people questioning it are people on pro-Android and/or anti-Apple sites and hardware enthusiast sites such as OCN?


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Then Apple needs to sue Google, which they are NOT doing. Suing the people that make the devices that use Google's OS is not trying to stifle patent infringement, it's keeping competition at bay. If you look at the UI patents they've gone after HTC and Samsung with, you'll notice that Google's stock OS infringes on those same patents.
First of all, the hardware infringes on their patents much more than the software. The Droid Pro, for example, isn't really a copycat.

I can see Apple suing Google in the near future, though.
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ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
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16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
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AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
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320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
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Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
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Altec Lansing 
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AMD FX-8320 @ 4.73GHz Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
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128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
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XSPC Raystorm XSPC Razor HD 7970 XSPC EX240 Swiftech MCP50X 
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Black Ice GT Stealth 240 2x XSPC Xinruilian 1650rpm 2x Yate Loon Slim 1800rpm Alphacool Light Tower 
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Windows 7 Gentoo GNU/Linux Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown 
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Corsair AX750 Corsair Carbide 300R Logitech G400 
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AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX GAMING BOARD 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB GAMING DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
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2TB 5400RPM GAMING HDD GAMING BLU RAY BURNER ONE GAMING CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
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HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL GAMING M... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W GAMING PSU; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE GAMING CASE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
ALIENWARE TACTX GAMING MOUSE ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 1337 ALIENWARE TACTX 8-CHANNEL GAMING HEADSET/M... 
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16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... ALIENWARE GAMING CARPET 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
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Altec Lansing 
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