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Did you ever think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, Apple had actually innovated and had something patent worth, and that's why the only people questioning it are people on pro-Android and/or anti-Apple sites and hardware enthusiast sites such as OCN?
Did you ever see the actual patent?
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Did you ever see the actual patent?
The article linked to in the original post does not explain which patent(s) resulted in the ban. I assume it had to do with form factor, design, and UI.
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I totally think Apple is taking advantage of the patent system, sometimes it's justified but sometimes it's definitely not.

Still, do you guys think Samsung isn't trying as well? If they could just get rid of the iPad perfectly legally, they would. Seems like they can't.

Samsung wasn't like 'oh poor customers, we can't sue X company, that will just limit innovation!', they were like 'Okay guys if we sue X, it'll cost us $X and we'll probably get $X. Not worth it. Oh and I tried to find a patent Apple kind of infringed to be able to sue them, but I didn't find anything, bummer. At least OCN will think we're good guys.'

Sure, this is bad for us customers, and I think this should not happen but portraying Apple as the patent devil is simply unfair and just another way for some of you to justify your hate.

Basically: I'm not saying we should just deal with it and congratulate Apple, I say you guys should stop trying to make Apple look worse than it does. Apple tries to maximize its profit just like every other single company is. You want nice companies that really care about us customers? forget about big corporations.

Apple uses the patents they have. Thus they aren't trolls. But hey screw reasoning, hating is funnier.
Edited by MacA - 8/9/11 at 3:06pm
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Suggest you look up the true definition of patent trolling. Then when you're done, come up with another attack on Apple, because Apple is in no way a patent troll. They're just not, as I've explained countless times on this forum.
Curious as to how it's hurting your bottom dollar.

A company's right to defend their ideas, patents, and intellectual property. I could care less if Apple gets sued to hell and back.
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Patent troll is currently a controversial term, susceptible to numerous definitions, none of which are considered satisfactory from the perspective of understanding how patent trolls should be treated in law.[13] Definitions include a party that does one or more of the following:
source

My definition of patent troll is different from what's in the source. I will abstain from using the term troll in conjunction with the word patent, in Apple's case because they produce product. If I had time, I would research into apples patent "enforcement" to produce evidence to re-enforce my opinion.

Who do you think pays for all those lawyers and licencing said patents? If A company decides to pay a licencing fee (or litigate) for a product, better believe that's being passed on to the consumer. You did not address the stifling innovation part which was the point I wanted to make, which is the part that bothers me the most. I dislike Apple's Business Ethics, but at the same time, business is business.

If you read my posts, you'll see it's no so much an attack on Apple, but on the process as a whole, which is why I mentioned Intellectual Ventures.
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People can blame and hate on Apple all they want, but obviously Samsung is doing something wrong according to these judges. Hate to say it but they deserve it.
Of course they're doing something wrong; they are not paying the judges enough..
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As Galaxy Phones, Tab is a copy of Apple.

I'm not an apple fanboy, but it's their ideia going on there.

If it was yours ideia, would you be happy?

Probably not.
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I totally think Apple is taking advantage of the patent system, sometimes it's justified but sometimes it's definitely not.

Still, do you guys think Samsung isn't trying as well? If they could just get rid of the iPad perfectly legally, they would. Seems like they can't.

Samsung wasn't like 'oh poor customers, we can't sue X company, that will just limit innovation!', they were like 'Okay guys if we sue X, it'll cost us $X and we'll probably get $X. Not worth it. Oh and I tried to find a patent Apple kind of infringed to be able to sue them, but I didn't find anything, bummer. At least OCN will think we're good guys.'

Sure, this is bad for us customers, and I think this should not happen but portraying Apple as the patent devil is simply unfair and just another way for some of you to justify your hate.

Basically: I'm not saying we should just deal with it and congratulate Apple, I say you guys should stop trying to make Apple look worse than it does. Apple tries to maximize its profit just like every other single company is. You want nice companies that really care about us customers? forget about big corporations.

Apple uses the patents they have. Thus they aren't trolls. But hey screw reasoning, hating is funnier.
I don't get the blind hatred and hypocrisy of fandroids. It really puzzles me. I call out Apple, Google, and Microsoft when they make mistakes, and I give each of them praise when it is due. But in this case, if you think rationally, Apple is no worse than other companies. And it's undeniable that GOOGLE AND ALL ANDROID MANUFACTURERS ARE COPYCATS.

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Of course they're doing something wrong; they are not paying the judges enough..
Haha, it's so fun when we can just make up conspiracy theories with no evidence backing them to support a predetermined position, right?


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As Galaxy Phones, Tab is a copy of Apple.

I'm not an apple fanboy, but it's their ideia going on there.

If it was yours ideia, would you be happy?

Probably not.
Google, most Android manufacturers, and their fans are full of hypocrisy. They whine whenever they're not getting their way, but then when the same thing is happening but in their favor it's just fine and they cheer with joy.
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As Galaxy Phones, Tab is a copy of Apple.

I'm not an apple fanboy, but it's their ideia going on there.

If it was yours ideia, would you be happy?

Probably not.
This is what I think is throwing people. The tablet is not a new concept, Apple essentially just re-styled it for the common consumer. Of course other companies are going to follow suit. Look at how car styling moves around. In-car navigation came out, and the others followed suit.

Competition is healthy, it will will the consumer competitively priced and continuously progressing products.
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I don't get the blind hatred and hypocrisy of fandroids. It really puzzles me. /snip undeniable that GOOGLE AND ALL ANDROID MANUFACTURERS ARE COPYCATS.

Haha, it's so fun when we can just make up conspiracy theories with no evidence backing them to support a predetermined position, right?
I see what you did there .

When out of all other arguments, making stuff up is always on the list .

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Google, most Android manufacturers, and their fans are full of hypocrisy. They whine whenever they're not getting their way, but then when the same thing is happening but in their favor it's just fine and they cheer with joy.
EDIT: you ninja'd me. Isn't that part of the human condition though? It's impossible to be completely objective because we all see with filters on our eyes. We could use that same ideology and apply it to just about anything with two sides.
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This is what I think is throwing people. The tablet is not a new concept, Apple essentially just re-styled it for the common consumer. Of course other companies are going to follow suit. Look at how car styling moves around.
You see, Apple REVOLUTIONIZED the tablet. And instead of making original products, Samsung, RIM, and Motorola just did something almost exactly the same -- similar hardware, similar software -- instead of actually doing something original. THAT is copying.
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