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Originally Posted by Usario;14523796 
The article linked to in the original post does not explain which patent(s) resulted in the ban. I assume it had to do with form factor, design, and UI.

I'll just leave this here: http://www.overclock.net/14522777-post33.html
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Originally Posted by Usario;14523910 
You see, Apple REVOLUTIONIZED the tablet. And instead of making original products, Samsung, RIM, and Motorola just did something almost exactly the same -- similar hardware, similar software -- instead of actually doing something original. THAT is copying.

The hardware is actually very different from Apple's from a technical standpoint.

My ASUS Transformer is revolutionary then! smile.gif

Not every product will be revolutionary. Other times you just have to be able to make a quality product cheaper, or have more functionality.

In the case of iPad vs. other devices, the other devices tend to have more functionality for the price. One of the big things I love about my Transformer other than the keyboard and mouse attachment is the storage slots, and HDMI port.

Also, Apple's selling point has always been their OS'. If all Apple computers ran Windows, very few would pay the premium price you see on them today. They need to revolutionize their iOS if they are to wow the market back their way. Quite frankly, I think people are bored of it.
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Originally Posted by r34p3rex;14523927 
I'll just leave this here: http://www.overclock.net/14522777-post33.html

If you look closely at the design, the patent isn't simply a rectangular shaped tablet. It also has to do with the shape of the sides (so you can't copy the original iPad -- towards the front it's flat on the sides, then it slightly curves out as you get closer to the center of the back) and the aspect ratio of the screen.

I will agree that patent is a bit too broad though and probably shouldn't have been granted. I do believe the very specific shape of the iPad should have been patented, but that drawing is too vague. For example, if they added a button on the side,and a home button under the screen... IMO it would've been perfectly fine.
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The hardware is actually very different from Apple's from a technical standpoint.

My ASUS Transformer is revolutionary then! smile.gif

Not every product will be revolutionary. Other times you just have to be able to make a quality product cheaper, or have more functionality.

In the case of iPad vs. other devices, the other devices tend to have more functionality for the price. One of the big things I love about my Transformer other than the keyboard and mouse attachment is the storage slots, and HDMI port.

Also, Apple's selling point has always been their OS'. If all Apple computers ran Windows, very few would pay the premium price you see on them today. They need to revolutionize their iOS if they are to wow the market back their way. Quite frankly, I think people are bored of it.

No one has a problem with the Transformer. I appreciate that Asus was able to do something original.

And it's not just making a different product in a market category, it's making a product too similar. Like how after the iPod became popular, tons of MP3 players began adding buttons shaped and positioned strikingly similar to the click wheel.

And this isn't an argument about which product is better. I'm not saying the iPad is better than any other product. Though for most people, it probably is (MOST PEOPLE -- not most OCN people).
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But then you remove the Transformer from it's dock and it's shape is strikingly tablet-like.

My point is, this is how technology advances, and always has.


Now, after looking at that patent, check out my tablet from 2004-ish (can't remember exactly).

motion_computing_m1400_korpus_iz_magnievogo_splava_22219257_1_F.jpg

I can't imagine the patent will hold up in court. The design is just too generic.
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Originally Posted by SectorNine50;14524008 
Now, after looking at that patent, check out my tablet from 2004-ish (can't remember exactly).

motion_computing_m1400_korpus_iz_magnievogo_splava_22219257_1_F.jpg

I can't imagine the patent will hold up in court. The design is just too generic.

That patent describes a product different from the one in that picture. The patent shows a specific screen aspect ratio and a specific design of the sides.

The patent is a bit too broad though.
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Originally Posted by Usario;14523976 
/snip
I will agree that patent is a bit too broad though and probably shouldn't have been granted. I do believe the very specific shape of the iPad should have been patented, but that drawing is too vague. For example, if they added a button on the side,and a home button under the screen... IMO it would've been perfectly fine.

If they had added a home button on the patent, then we wouldn't be able to debate how similar the patent looks when compared with the Tab. wink.gifcool.gif

edit: darn you and your ninja edits!
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That patent describes a product different from the one in that picture. The patent shows a specific screen aspect ratio and a specific design of the sides.

The patent is a bit too broad though.

I agree. Way too broad.
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Originally Posted by Usario;14524026 
That patent describes a product different from the one in that picture. The patent shows a specific screen aspect ratio and a specific design of the sides.

The patent is a bit too broad though.

The "first-to-invent" clause of patent law should effectively void this patent. That is, if the lawyers do their research.

Now the problem we may run into is that I'm not certain that other countries go by US patent law, even if the patent was filed in the US. That means that the countries that Apple is attacking Samsung in are void of a "first-to-invent" clause, and go based on "first-to-patent."
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The steam's all out. I'm tuckered, anyone for a brew by the fire?
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Originally Posted by Nocturin;14524229 
The steam's all out. I'm tuckered, anyone for a brew by the fire?

Only if I can drink whiskey... biggrin.gif
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