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£200? Thanks for the help everyone
I'd suggest an i5 2500k, cheaper P67 board (Biostar TP67XE is excellent if its cheap there), and 4GB of some cheaper DDR3 that's 1.50v. Keep your existing GPU for now.

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Well its 1 v all, and youre the one. So i dont need to proove anything, i dont really care im here to help this guy not argue toll logic with you



No problem, ill get you a nice setup for 200, is that like 250$ or somthing?
And yet there's not PROOF to support your claims. When you try to argue something, you really should provide proof.

I would do so myself, but my laptop lacks gaming capability. I will gladly prove you wrong in about 2 weeks when my hardware is back.
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pioneerisloud in a way you were right that there is no less strain on the cpu, but by adding more resolution and thus putting more strain on the gpu, they are both under equal pressure and therefore neither one is bottle necking the other any more... And before this argument continues, please feel free to read up on it somewhere and prove me wrong
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Well its 1 v all, and youre the one. So i dont need to proove anything, i dont really care, im here to help this guy not argue toll logic with you
Logic fail.
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I think its about $280, the new i5's (2500k) are very fast and cheap, but unfortunately the motherboards you need for them are too expensive
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pioneerisloud in a way you were right that there is no less strain on the cpu, but by adding more resolution and thus putting more strain on the gpu, they are both under equal pressure and therefore neither one is bottle necking the other any more... And before this argument continues, please feel free to read up on it somewhere and prove me wrong
That's exactly what I was saying. Thank you.

The problem comes in, when ACTUAL CPU intensive games come up. Your machine is relatively well balanced as is. But if you load up a CPU intensive game (such as GTA IV, BFBC2, Crysis, Witcher 2, Source engine games, etc), then by upgrading your CPU you will see loads of difference. In games that don't care what CPU you have, it won't make much difference at all, and a better graphics card would come in handy (like Crysis 2).

With your current setup, I'd suggest the strongest CPU setup you can afford to upgrade into right now (that will likely end up being the i5 2500k). Upgrade the GPU a little later.
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Increasing settings puts more strain on the GPU thus reducing CPU load, i have to run crysis in the background just so my CPU doesnt bottleneck me in GTA IV , im serious.
Are you high?

I have done HUNDREDS of CPU tests to find how different settings perform in games etc.
Minimizing a game puts 1-5% load on a CPU. Basically idling.
Putting MORE load on a CPU WILL NOT reduce a bottlneck.



Lets define a CPU-game-related bottleneck shall we?

It is when the CPU is severely holding back the possible FPS that can be obtained in a game because it cannot process the required information fast enough to keep up with the GPU. Ergo it is too slow.

Now upgrading your CPU will always increase FPS, but going from a i7 920 4Ghz to a 2600K 4Ghz will see very very small gains. Just as going from a Pentium 4 to a 2600K will see huge gains. They both may be able to run the game, just one cannot handle the calculations required.

So increasing the load will not help.

Reducing the res will seem like it's stressing the CPU more, but it actually isn't. All it is doing is making the level at which the CPU needs to keep up with the GPU "shorter". Thus making it seem like you are reducing the bottleneck.

TL;DR
You're bottlenecked by the CPU if you upgrade. Right now, play at low res and save up cash for a CPU/GPU/MOBO/RAM upgrade.


NOTE-Not 100% certain on all of that
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RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231276 30$
MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131647 105$
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103846 88$

That CPU probobly will unlock to a quad, and if not RMA it. I got one and it unlocked and overclocked beautify, total is 223$ and that mobo supports Xfire and has a nice power phase on it so you can OC quite well. The RAM is good, it has a great CAS and the speeds are awesome, AMD favors CAs over clocks so you should get this over a 1600mhz kit.
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Cheap for what they are I should say, they are still about 60% more expensive over here than a phenom 970, and I don't need a cpu that fast anyways
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I think its about $280, the new i5's (2500k) are very fast and cheap, but unfortunately the motherboards you need for them are too expensive
Have you looked at the lesser expensive P67 boards? In order to handle a Phenom II 970, you're going to need a higher end AM3 board. The lower end AMD boards have a tendancy to either throttle or burn up (literally) due to a lower quality VRM section. So either way, you're going to be out about the same cost for the Phenom II setup or the i5.
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The phenom x2 555 is just not a big enough upgrade for me to have to go through the effort of upgrading
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