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Originally Posted by born2bwild View Post
Llano is not that attractive to many users, since a SB i3 + a GT 525M (or 540M) comes at a same price (as a Llano A6 or A8), and offers better performance in both ways. To I agree that my prediction remains to be verified, since Llano came out.

Also, Intel is stepping up their game, but they have a long way to go. Just compare the SB IGPU to the previous generation and there is a lot of improvement. The card is definitely enough in every facet for an average Joe, casual gamer, and business users, but it is not definitely for gamers.

You need to understand that. Intel has never marketed its iGPU as an option for gamers, yes it can run a lot of games - but not very well... but is it enough for the average computer user; yes. Most gamers use consoles in any case. And this is coming from a PC gamer who owns no consoles.
llano has price/performance over Intel right now, considering a llano APU > Intel i3 2100T, 2120 and 2105, and cheaper.

Also, I never once said the word "Game" so going on about dedicated GPU's for gaming is meaningless, and off the point.

I understand that Intel HD graphics will do for a lot of people, but the AMD solution is better and cheaper. See where I'm coming from? If its faster, cheaper, and just simply better, why would people opt for the slower, more expensive and overall worse solution when it costs more?

But even still we're getting off topic. This is about IGP sales and marketshare, something Intel has a large chunk of artificially, as many users simply don't buy into 2500K and 2600K market segments and use the IGP. Even OEM's will be pushing lower end CPU's. I'm simply saying that realistically, this chart means nothing for real world representation of the market right now, and with more and more APU type CPU's with GPU's hit the market, such things will be completely useless to look at altogether, it just looks nice to point to and say "wow we're kicking ass in the GPU market" while realistically not being much of a competitor at all. It's simply artificial statistics which, in about a year or 2, will not have a shred of validity, while having very little even now.
Edited by Fuell - 8/10/11 at 10:55am
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http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/...for-intel.html

lol

They haven't done a lot of advertising, but it's there.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they're referring to Intel CPUs.


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llano has price/performance over Intel right now, considering a llano APU > Intel i3 2100T, 2120 and 2105, and cheaper.

Also, I never once said the word "Game" so going on about dedicated GPU's for gaming is meaningless, and off the point.

I understand that Intel HD graphics will do for a lot of people, but the AMD solution is better and cheaper. See where I'm coming from? If its faster, cheaper, and just simply better, why would people opt for the slower, more expensive and overall worse solution when it costs more?
Well, my point was that if not counting games, the Intel iGPU will handle any other daily situation better if not as well as the A8 Llano - because most application are much more CPU-dependent than not. Also, you can find laptops with an i3 SB at $450... which is at the same price-point as low A4 Llano laptops, if not a bit lower.

Also, I agree that I brought the topic on a tangent, but it is on a somewhat related note.
Edited by born2bwild - 8/10/11 at 11:14am
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llano has price/performance over Intel right now, considering a llano APU > Intel i3 2100T, 2120 and 2105, and cheaper.

Also, I never once said the word "Game" so going on about dedicated GPU's for gaming is meaningless, and off the point.

I understand that Intel HD graphics will do for a lot of people, but the AMD solution is better and cheaper. See where I'm coming from? If its faster, cheaper, and just simply better, why would people opt for the slower, more expensive and overall worse solution when it costs more?

But even still we're getting off topic. This is about IGP sales and marketshare, something Intel has a large chunk of artificially, as many users simply don't buy into 2500K and 2600K market segments and use the IGP. Even OEM's will be pushing lower end CPU's. I'm simply saying that realistically, this chart means nothing for real world representation of the market right now, and with more and more APU type CPU's with GPU's hit the market, such things will be completely useless to look at altogether, it just looks nice to point to and say "wow we're kicking ass in the GPU market" while realistically not being much of a competitor at all. It's simply artificial statistics which, in about a year or 2, will not have a shred of validity, while having very little even now.
I strongly agree.

I think AMD needs to advertise more. Most people only know intel.
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
Herpderp.

MAYBE

Everyone who bought in Q1 2011 aren't stupid enough to buy AGAIN in Q2 2011?

Also. AMD.

I guess noone's buying Llano?
I don't understand why you'd want Llano. You could just pair an Athlon II with some 880/890 board with an iGP and be done with it. The A8 CPU isn't that great and I don't see why people would need an HD66xx over some lower end GPU. That's just my opinion though.

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Originally Posted by sLowEnd View Post
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/...for-intel.html

lol

They haven't done a lot of advertising, but it's there.
Aren't those the "runs great on Core i7 games", I doubt that they're advertising the iGPU there.

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Im sure if i bought a z68 board it would also give a point to intel.. not sure if this is fair..
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I don't understand why you'd want Llano. You could just pair an Athlon II with some 880/890 board with an iGP and be done with it. The A8 CPU isn't that great and I don't see why people would need an HD66xx over some lower end GPU. That's just my opinion though.



Aren't those the "runs great on Core i7 games", I doubt that they're advertising the iGPU there.

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I remember there being more. I'll try to dig them up when I get home.
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I don't understand why you'd want Llano. You could just pair an Athlon II with some 880/890 board with an iGP and be done with it. The A8 CPU isn't that great and I don't see why people would need an HD66xx over some lower end GPU. That's just my opinion though.
I did a price/performance comparison for an average gamer's build.

An i3-2100 x GTs 450 still was the better choice than an A8 CPU+iGPU.
post #28 of 39
lol at matrox @56
post #29 of 39
People...

Learn to spot payed marketing when it is in ur face. The first clue is the title.. & asked urself *** is a "Graphics Adapters"..?

Why such an odd debate. This is not news that Intel has now sold more on-board video ready chips than anyone else... every business computer has this by now.

The news itself doesn't say much about Intel.. only that their distributorship is larger.

Intel's technology is sub-par.. only that their market it broader. Not more focused.
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People...

Learn to spot payed marketing when it is in ur face. The first clue is the title.. & asked urself *** is a "Graphics Adapters"..?

Why such an odd debate. This is not news that Intel has now sold more on-board video ready chips than anyone else... every business computer has this by now.

The news itself doesn't say much about Intel.. only that their distributorship is larger.

Intel's technology is sub-par.. only that their market it broader. Not more focused.
The share is getting larger over time though.
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