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Just to save confusion from anyone viewing this thread, my problem isn't resolved.
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Yes, I understand that - my question is why?

I appreciate your response about the Internal PLL Overvoltage - I am going to hop into the BIOS after this post and take a look see, however I believe that it is set to enabled.

Now let me ask you this, I read that there should be settings like LLC, LLC1, LLC2, etc.

I don't have these options in my BIOS, what gives?

Thank you guys

The UD3 is a lower end P67 Board with a tremendous amount of Vdroop. Setting LLC to enabled on this board will improve Vdroop from .1v to .05v which is not much of an improvement. you will have to establish a much higher Vcore with the UD3 vs. the UD4 or higher boards. I have owned 2 and on each, I had to establish a Vcore of 1.4v to just run at 4.5Ghz. On other boards, I could achieve the same clocks on 1.32 - 1.34v.
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I see, interesting to know that. Well it can't hurt to use both anyway.

I understand that the CPU isn't being used to its full potential, but I don't truly mind that, it's not like the score fluctuates a big deal on the non-AVX version, I just use it to ascertain whether my CPU is actually working as it should and not doing some silly throttling or something like the mistake I made a while back with the preferences somehow changed.

EDIT: Hmm, I don't know why but the computer fails to go to the loading screen on Windows, just goes past POST now, reverted back to default voltages and clocks for the moment. Guess I'll have to redo my overclock all over again in bits and pieces.
Nah, don't use both: just use the one with AVX. It's actually a waste of time to use the non-AVX versions on Sandy Bridge.


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I currently appear to have 4.7GHz almost stable at roughly 1.376v LLC2 Offset -0.005 and additional turbo voltage +0.008. I think that's the highest clock I'll be able to maintain 24/7 considering the voltages and temperatures (hovering around 70C under load).

But 70 is very safe.


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HT is also disabled as it's unlikely I'll make use of it much. VTT is slightly above normal (1.08v~). When I say almost stable it crashes when idle sometimes, or at very low load. This is randomly happening and usually takes many hours before it happens. Error code is 0x1E which I believe from my memory is needing more vcore.

Does the above voltage seem reasonable for that clock speed?
Every CPU is different, so I don't know. However disable C3 and C6 to stop having crashes and BSODs while idling.


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TwoCables,

Glad to have you back, listen I understand what you are saying about Prime95, and if that's better than Linx by your expertise, then it is what I will start to use for stress testing.
It's not by my expertise: I'm going by what many experts on Sandy Bridge here on OCN have told me time and time again.


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Also, I never could get Realtemp to work, I tried over and over again - redownloading and nothing goes. So I am sticking to HWMonitor for now.

My question to you is, although my BCLK is at 100.0Mhz, why does it run at 99.8Mhz?
Because CPU Spread Spectrum is enabled. For some reason, the only way to fix this with some boards is to disable CPU Spread Spectrum.


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Also, CPU-Z shows my core voltage wrong, it's at 1.332 @ 4.5Ghz however in CPU-Z it says 1.056v - ----- that's a real wierd one.
While idling, or while under full load? If it's showing 1.056V while idling, then that's normal.


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Last but not least, I found that after I pass x45 - I lose stability with Linx/Intel -

Now I am willing to run Prime95 on x45 but I am hoping I can make a few changes get up to the next x46 -----

Thanks for your time --
Then your CPU probably needs more core voltage.


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Here is the second run using the Linx Program that you suggested TwoCables!
Nice, but that's not LinX; it's Intel Burn Test (a.k.a. "IBT"). Either way, though; you're only using 1024MB of your memory: increase it to as high as it will allow and then you'll get the full benefit of the test. Otherwise, it's actually just a waste of time.


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lol, what's a hijack? lol
You hijacked Ixel's thread. You should have made your own. For starters, you and Ixel have very different systems: he has an ASRock board with a Z68 chipset, you have a Gigabyte board with the P67 chipset, and you are also having different issues from his which require different solutions. You're also using his thread for your benefit which also means that you are shooting yourself in the foot because 99% of the newcomers to this thread are going to be replying to the original post which means they'll be unaware that you are using Ixel's thread to ask for help with your own issues.

(just in case, Ixel is the guy who started this thread)


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...and I don't know how to disable Spread Spectrum on Gigabyte boards?

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Neither do I, so please refer to the manual. Download a PDF copy and search for the word "spectrum" or "spread" (you could search for "CPU Spread Spectrum", but Gigabyte might be using a different name for it).


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I changed a few things:

Hyperthreading - Disabled (Back to 4 cores now, not 8)
BCLK - 100.0Mhz (Not the 100.2)

I ran the Linx, it passed and it's good - Im going to run BC2 and see what happens, here's a shot.
That's still not LinX, and my advice about 1024MB being too small still stands. I mean after all, you have 8GB of memory!


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I'm left with a dilema.

To get 4.7 using offset I either have to over-volt, or put up with an occasional idle BSOD.
That's solved by disabling C3 and C6.


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I need around 1.376-1.384v on the vcore to maintain a stable 4.7GHz, now ideally I don't want this running through the CPU 24/7 (fixed) so that's why I'm opting for offset instead of fixed voltage.
Good, because this is optimal for Sandy Bridge anyway.


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The problem, offset is +0.005v and additional turbo voltage (mV) is at the minimum I can set (+0.004v) which makes my vcore average between 1.384-1.392v, that's higher than what I need and I can't offset a negative voltage because it causes issues when the computer is idle or under light load at random times, LLC is level 2 (level 1 being regular, level 5 being maximum) and I can't make it level 3+ because it ends up spiking the vcore voltage above my configured vcore voltage on initial CPU load.

I'm stuck with very few choices, being I reduce my multiplier by 1, I stick with the vcore I'm given even though it's slightly higher than what I need, or some other suggestion that I haven't thought of.

Suggestions?
If your CPU needs a certain core voltage to maintain stability, then that's what it needs. Some people are having to use more than 1.4V just to achieve 4.7GHz.
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Thanks for replying and your help on the issues I've been having.

I've disabled C3 and C6 prior to still having idle issues. The idle issues were caused by a negative offset voltage. I've partially resolved the problem further by instead of selecting an offset of +0.005v, I've selected auto (which reduced the overall voltage by -0.005v, negating the additional offset originally. I'm still running at a voltage slightly higher than I need, but I'm under the voltage limit that Juan Jose stated in his thread about overclocking on SB (1.425v~).

You say around 70C is very safe? I thought recommendations were to stay at least under 72C, and not to go beyond 80C. Out of curiousity what would you say is the most temperature under stress that shouldn't be exceeded (considering of course that a lot of the time it's doubtful people would stress the CPU as much as programs such as Prime95)?

Finally, I understand what you say about the non-AVX version and AVX version, but I am unable to realistically use the AVX version, it pushes the CPU temperatures about another 10-15C degrees above the normal stressed temperature level (80-85C) which in my view is approaching close to thermal throttling. It's great for really quick stress testing though to ensure you have a reasonably stable setup from my brief experience of using it I've found.
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Thanks for replying and your help on the issues I've been having.
You're welcome!


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I've disabled C3 and C6 prior to still having idle issues. The idle issues were caused by a negative offset voltage. I've partially resolved the problem further by instead of selecting an offset of +0.005v, I've selected auto (which reduced the overall voltage by -0.005v, negating the additional offset originally. I'm still running at a voltage slightly higher than I need, but I'm under the voltage limit that Juan Jose stated in his thread about overclocking on SB (1.425v~).
Oh, ok. Cool.


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You say around 70C is very safe? I thought recommendations were to stay at least under 72C, and not to go beyond 80C. Out of curiousity what would you say is the most temperature under stress that shouldn't be exceeded (considering of course that a lot of the time it's doubtful people would stress the CPU as much as programs such as Prime95)?
The Tj. Max is 98°C which means that this is the maximum safe temperature because this is the temperature where the CPU would either throttle itself down or turn itself off to prevent damage.

So I say that as long as you stay out of the high 80s, then you will likely avoid instability caused by the heat (which can be extremely annoying).


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Finally, I understand what you say about the non-AVX version and AVX version, but I am unable to realistically use the AVX version, it pushes the CPU temperatures about another 10-15C degrees above the normal stressed temperature level (80-85C) which in my view is approaching close to thermal throttling. It's great for really quick stress testing though to ensure you have a reasonably stable setup from my brief experience of using it I've found.
This is exactly why Linpack is a waste of time. With Sandy Bridge, Prime95 is finally just as good as Linpack, except it doesn't get the temps to ridiculously high levels.

There's absolutely nothing that will get the temps as high as Prime95's Blend test, and there is currently no stress test that beats Prime95's Blend test. Linpack with AVX equals it (finally, Prime95 is just as good as Linpack), but it's not better. All it does is it generates more heat which I think is very bad for these 32nm CPUs.
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lol, what's a hijack? lol

...and I don't know how to disable Spread Spectrum on Gigabyte boards?

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I changed a few things:

Hyperthreading - Disabled (Back to 4 cores now, not 8)
BCLK - 100.0Mhz (Not the 100.2)

I ran the Linx, it passed and it's good - Im going to run BC2 and see what happens, here's a shot.
To disable "spread spectrum"on gigabyte boards,in the main bios screen press CTRL+F1,then in the "advanced frequency settings section "spread spectrum" will be available.Normaly its hidden.
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Well I had to revert back to 4.6GHz in the end, idle crashes or low load crashes beat me at 4.7GHz. I'm quite happy with 4.6GHz, that is, until I upgraded my power supply this morning .

I've bought the Corsair AX850 PSU, it was fairly easy to install being modular and all, however, whilst getting the other PSU out and remove cable ties, and the hard to get to 8-pin connection on the motherboard, I accidentally somehow made the cpu heatsink (pump) on the Corsair H70 come off one side of the CPU, as such it ruined the thermal paste that was originally applied a week or so ago (giving up to 75C temperatures under stress at best). After using several tissues for cleaning the heatsink and CPU off I applied new paste (from the fridge) (AS5) and spread it across the chip reasonably thin as before. Unfortunately the CPU temperature under stress reaches around 85C, I have tried re-applying it twice and will need to buy more soon. Is this because I'm not allowing enough time for it to realistically cure at a minimum, or is it just simply two bad TIM applications?

My only other difference is on the other PSU I had to add a 4-pin CPU to 8-pin EPS adapter to the PSU cable before connecting to the motherboard, where as now I have a proper EPS cable for the motherboard, could the extra 12v be causing the 10C~ increase?

EDIT: Another hour+ later stress testing for a few minutes gave me a temperature of 87C on the hottest core, that can't be right. Voltage is roughly 1.38v using offset at LLC 2, CPU-Z doesn't show the voltage going much above that (1.386v at most possibly) on the Corsair H70 with AS5, this must just be another (second) thermal paste job done slightly bad. Will post more results later this afternoon, but I suspect I'll have to buy some more AS5 (as I'm running out).

EDIT #2: Results very much the same another hour or so later. I'm going to first try switching the EPS cable to the way I had to run it before to see if it lowers temperatures, though I have doubts that's the problem.

EDIT #3: Results as I expected were no different. The only things different now are, simply put, the PSU and the thermal paste having to be re-applied after the heatsink/pump came off slightly when replacing the PSU. Time for a new heatsink?

EDIT #4: Well as it's near the cut-off time for delivery tomorrow and nobody has replied with any ideas yet I've decided to buy a Noctua NH-D14. Fingers crossed it will work just as efficiently as my H70 once did, or just near as possible anyway.

FINAL EDIT: This morning I should receive the new heatsink/fan and the thermal paste cleaning solution (express AM delivery normally arrives in the next 30 minutes from this edit). I probably won't update this post anymore as nobody has replied so I'm assuming I'm the only one active now. Thanks to those who have helped previously and fingers crossed this latest problem will be solved once and for all and that no new problems subsequently occur.
Edited by Ixel - 8/16/11 at 11:42pm
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I'm curious of what your temps are now after all was said and done. Where did you end up? I've been reading this thread, and I feel like I've made a connection to all the characters in a novel. Unfortunately, the book stopped on page 239, and the rest of the pages are blank. PLS FINISH THE STORY!
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