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EDIT #2: !?!?!?!, all that time I spent playing in the BIOS and when checking the number of threads the stress test was using in the preferences section I noticed it said 1! That should of course be 4, everything back to normal and working. C3 and C6 states are disabled, C1E is enabled, Package C State Support is set to C2, spread spectrum is disabled to give me 100.0MHz without changing the bus manually to compensate.

ORIGINAL: Well after some playing around with C states this morning and taking some advice from another source about spread spectrum being disabled, I thought I'd quickly try it, eurgh something just made my gflops go rubbish (16~ compared to 60+~). I'll try disabling Package C State Support again and see what the results are, failing that I'll re-enable it again and also enable spread spectrum and see the results then.

Additionally disabling spread spectrum gives me a nice 100.0MHz number on the bus without having to set 100.2MHz now. One can only learn the different effects from trial and error I guess.

EDIT: Changing those made no difference, still 16 gflops. The only differences remaining are the C3 and C6 states being disabled and the loadline and vcore settings being different, none of which (except C states) I can see effecting the gflops performance this badly. I'll revert back to my previous overclocking profile to be certain that still produces the gflops I remembered seeing. The power usage has also dropped by around half when the processor is under load (about 50W now) and as such the temperatures are much lower too, very wrong.
Do we want higher GFlops, correct?

Also I took the recomendation about the Spread Spectrum *its called Isynchrnous or something* and now I also have a beautiful 100.0mhz.. I am going to re-confirm cuz I ran in and out of the BIOS - brb!
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That's a low vcore on that screenshot, way less than mine, mind you I'm trying 4.7GHz lol, either that or I have not got a brilliant CPU . LinX isn't the best for stability testing however, many go by Prime95, however I prefer a mix of OCCT for the first 30 minutes on medium dataset, and if that passes, another 30-60 minutes of Prime95 for a quick stability test, of course, time isn't really a definite factor in how to determine if your configuration is stable. I'm not sure what your next move should be, but as I say, I'm still trying 4.7GHz until I'm either at a point of uncomfortable voltages (1.40v VCORE is my limit) or temperatures (80C maximum core temperature under stress).
Ixel - CPU-Z isn't reporting it right.

It's at around 1.332v I believe! At least that is what my BIOS tells me - hence why I get super confused about the darn settings.

Now, I wanted to tell you that I was trying to find Spread Spectrum - which I thought I could change by turning of Isynchronous to Disabled. That didn't work - I am still at 100.2mhz on the BCLK so that keeps me at a nice 100mhz bus.

I also took the memory from 1300 stock up to its XMS Profile of 1867mhz.

I am at 4.6 right now - so let me run the burn test and see what happens thiss time. Also, I will take note of the Voltage when I get back into the BIOS after the first Linx burn.
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Do we want higher GFlops, correct?

Also I took the recomendation about the Spread Spectrum *its called Isynchrnous or something* and now I also have a beautiful 100.0mhz.. I am going to re-confirm cuz I ran in and out of the BIOS - brb!
The more gflops the better I would imagine. Don't just solely base your goal on that though, I just look at my average gflops for a rough pointer as to how my CPU performance is.

Some useful information about spread spectrum's purpose can be found at http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/4154.

And I see, well your motherboard is different to mine so I can't comment, but I can safely say that it resolved my BCLK so it's now an even value of 100.0MHz.

Without going back another page and checking the screenshot (as it's difficult to use my Alienware M14x without a proper mouse plugged in), what version of CPU-Z do you use?
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1.58 CPUID version.

Alright the Voltage is 1.332 @ 4.5ghz.

However, once I get to 4.6, I become un-stable.

I am not sure why, I do not like Prime95, never have liked it because I think it's abusive to the CPU. I also am now debating on how powerful of a test Linx VS. Intel Burn is?
I run the Linx and it passes it with similar GFlops, except the Intel Burn crashed on 4.6Ghz.
This is the marker point for me until I can find out what is stopping me from going to 4.6Ghz, which BSOD's on me.

?
Edited by joealbergo - 8/13/11 at 9:27am
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1.58 CPUID version.

Alright the Voltage is 1.332 @ 4.5ghz.

However, once I get to 4.6, I become un-stable.

I am not sure why, I do not like Prime95, never have liked it because I think it's abusive to the CPU. I also am now debating on how powerful of a test Linx VS. Intel Burn is?
I run the Linx and it passes it with similar GFlops, except the Intel Burn crashed on 4.6Ghz.
This is the marker point for me until I can find out what is stopping me from going to 4.6Ghz, which BSOD's on me.

?
Hmm, same CPU-Z version as me, not sure, obviously using offset voltage the voltage will dynamically rise and lower depending on CPU usage at the time, but I think you're aware of that already.

Try OCCT out at the settings I mentioned a post or two ago, I use that initially, if that passes I then run Prime95 blend for a while longer. OCCT I found always BSOD's me if I am too low on vcore, and usually Prime95 never BSOD's on me for the time I give it after OCCT passes at the right vcore. To get to 4.6GHz you may need more vcore voltage. The voltage you've said at 4.5GHz was very similar to mine originally, so that sounds about right.

EDIT: Stable at 4.7GHz with a vcore of roughly 1.36v-1.37v on average when under load. LLC is level 4, offset is +0.005, I used additional turbo voltage (mV) to adjust the vcore more precisely. Spread spectrum disabled, PLL 1.71v currently, VTT 1.09v roughly, RAM 1.575v at 1333 9-9-9-24.
Edited by Ixel - 8/13/11 at 10:46am
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Hey guys.

The original LinX is not useful for Sandy Bridge. If you want the same LinX stress testing we used to have with previous CPU generations, then we must use LinX (or IBT) with AVX instructions:

http://gigaflopd.com/downloads/linx/

http://gigaflopd.com/downloads/ibt/

These also require Win7 SP1 because SP1 contains the AVX instructions. If you don't use Linpack with AVX, then you're wasting your time.


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1.58 CPUID version.

Alright the Voltage is 1.332 @ 4.5ghz.

However, once I get to 4.6, I become un-stable.

I am not sure why, I do not like Prime95, never have liked it because I think it's abusive to the CPU. I also am now debating on how powerful of a test Linx VS. Intel Burn is?
I run the Linx and it passes it with similar GFlops, except the Intel Burn crashed on 4.6Ghz.
This is the marker point for me until I can find out what is stopping me from going to 4.6Ghz, which BSOD's on me.

?
If you think Prime95 is too abusive, then avoid LinX or IBT at all costs. Linpack is way harder on a CPU than Prime95 (which is one reason why it's not a good idea to use Linpack on these 32nm CPUs).

Like it or not, Prime95 is the way to go. If you don't like it, then don't overclock. I mean you can't use OCCT either because OCCT uses the same 'prime' data but with a different User Interface. So no matter what, if you overclock then you have to do some kind of stress test. Again, if you don't like Prime95 because you think it's too abusive to the CPU, then Linpack (LinX and IBT) is absolutely out of the question.

Also, if you think Prime95 is too abusive, then don't overclock because that's abusive to it as well.
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Hey guys.

The original LinX is not useful for Sandy Bridge. If you want the same LinX stress testing we used to have with previous CPU generations, then we must use LinX (or IBT) with AVX instructions:

http://gigaflopd.com/downloads/linx/

http://gigaflopd.com/downloads/ibt/

These also require Win7 SP1 because SP1 contains the AVX instructions. If you don't use Linpack with AVX, then you're wasting your time.



If you think Prime95 is too abusive, then avoid LinX or IBT at all costs. Linpack is way harder on a CPU than Prime95 (which is one reason why it's not a good idea to use Linpack on these 32nm CPUs).

Like it or not, Prime95 is the way to go. If you don't like it, then don't overclock. I mean you can't use OCCT either because OCCT uses the same 'prime' data but with a different User Interface. So no matter what, if you overclock then you have to do some kind of stress test. Again, if you don't like Prime95 because you think it's too abusive to the CPU, then Linpack (LinX and IBT) is absolutely out of the question.

Also, if you think Prime95 is too abusive, then don't overclock because that's abusive to it as well.
LinX without AVX support is just good for measuring some performance level, AVX is far too much a heater than a score. I use OCCT for about 1 hour, and then Prime95. In all stress testing I've done I've found any unstable configuration is identified in the hour of OCCT, Prime95 rarely crashes after OCCT is stable. That's my experience however, has worked for me getting a stable clock.
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LinX without AVX support is just good for measuring some performance level, AVX is far too much a heater than a score. I use OCCT for about 1 hour, and then Prime95. In all stress testing I've done I've found any unstable configuration is identified in the hour of OCCT, Prime95 rarely crashes after OCCT is stable. That's my experience however, has worked for me getting a stable clock.
Oh. That's actually because OCCT uses a much higher priority than Prime95. Prime95 uses a priority of 1 while OCCT is closer to 7 or 8.

Prime95's priority can be changed using Test > "Worker windows...". I don't have a favorite priority, but I just leave it at 7 because I like the number 7. Plus, "most applications run at priority 7 or 9".

Finally: using LinX or IBT without AVX isn't 100% because not using the AVX instruction set that the CPU is capable of means that it's not being fully utilized. The load may be at 100%, but it's still not using 100% of the CPU's capabilities (it's not a truly thorough test). It's hard to explain what I mean, so I hope that this makes sense.
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Oh. That's actually because OCCT uses a much higher priority than Prime95. Prime95 uses a priority of 1 while OCCT is closer to 7 or 8.

Prime95's priority can be changed using Test > "Worker windows...". I don't have a favorite priority, but I just leave it at 7 because I like the number 7. Plus, "most applications run at priority 7 or 9".

Finally: using LinX or IBT without AVX isn't 100% because not using the AVX instruction set that the CPU is capable of means that it's not being fully utilized. The load may be at 100%, but it's still not using 100% of the CPU's capabilities (it's not a truly thorough test). It's hard to explain what I mean, so I hope that this makes sense.
I see, interesting to know that. Well it can't hurt to use both anyway.

I understand that the CPU isn't being used to its full potential, but I don't truly mind that, it's not like the score fluctuates a big deal on the non-AVX version, I just use it to ascertain whether my CPU is actually working as it should and not doing some silly throttling or something like the mistake I made a while back with the preferences somehow changed.

EDIT: Hmm, I don't know why but the computer fails to go to the loading screen on Windows, just goes past POST now, reverted back to default voltages and clocks for the moment. Guess I'll have to redo my overclock all over again in bits and pieces.

I currently appear to have 4.7GHz almost stable at roughly 1.376v LLC2 Offset -0.005 and additional turbo voltage +0.008. I think that's the highest clock I'll be able to maintain 24/7 considering the voltages and temperatures (hovering around 70C under load). HT is also disabled as it's unlikely I'll make use of it much. VTT is slightly above normal (1.08v~). When I say almost stable it crashes when idle sometimes, or at very low load. This is randomly happening and usually takes many hours before it happens. Error code is 0x1E which I believe from my memory is needing more vcore.

Does the above voltage seem reasonable for that clock speed?

Edited by Ixel - 8/14/11 at 9:39am
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